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Post by redstorm177 on Nov 11, 2009 15:57:47 GMT
Player: Danny Granger Rating: 86
The New York Knicks offer Danny Granger the following contract. The first year of the contract uses all of our available cap space.
09/10: $14,787,888 10/11: $15,000,000 11/12: $15,000,000 12/13: $15,000,000 13/14: $15,000,000 (Player Option)
Total: 5 years/$74,787,888
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 11, 2009 16:07:00 GMT
The New Jersey Nets would like to offer the following to Danny Granger: 09/10: $15,000,000 10/11: $15,500,000 11/12: $16,000,000 12/13: $16,500,000 13/14: $17,000,000 Total: 5 years, $80,000,000 We would also like to offer 270 reward points with this contract. Happy bidding
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 11, 2009 22:16:55 GMT
The Golden State Warriors would like to offer the following contract to Danny Granger:
09/10: $15,000,000 10/11: $16,500,000 11/12: $17,500,000 12/13: $18,500,000 13/14: $20,000,000
Total: 5 years, $87,500,000
We would like to build our team around Mr. Granger. We feel he is a star in the league and would like to resign him to our team. We gave up Dirk Nowitzki to bring him to Golden State, which shows our level of commitment to him as a leader of a championship contender.
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Post by greatwall - PHI on Nov 11, 2009 22:31:13 GMT
The Philadelphia 76ers would like to throw the max at Danny Granger, 5 years 100 M. Year 1: $20,000,000 Year 2: $20,000,000 Year 3: $20,000,000 Year 4: $20,000,000 Year 5: $20,000,000 Total: $100,000,0000 We understand we don't have a realistic change, but we are devoted to you Mr. Granger. We are giving you the max you can get (at least in Rimrocker) and will give more if we can. We have a good team in Philly and if you join us you will be the superstar. Evans/Jrich/Mr. Granger/CV31/Okur is a very good young team that could make noise in the East. We hope you will consider us and look forward to hearing from you Mr. Granger. Not sure how the reward points work but we will give all 100+ we have to get him. PS. Didn't I just do this!?!?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 12, 2009 9:59:02 GMT
[red]Golden State and Philadelphia's offers were a bit too unrealistically high. I'm placing the cap for Danny Granger at New Jersey's offer.
GSW and PHI's offers will be reduced to the size of New Jersey's.
All teams, including NYK, will currently be eligible to enter an RP bidding war.
Golden State should note that, even though he is the Re-Signing team, New Jersey mentioned he is willing to spend 270 reward points on Granger. Golden State currently has 168 reward points and, even with the 100 point Re-Signing bonus, he would be edged out of consideration by the Nets by a tiny but crucial 2 reward points. That would push the matter beyond consideration and into a pure reward point bidding war between any of the other teams bidding on Granger. Unless New Jersey is bluffing, or ends up spending his reward points somewhere else, it might be wise for Golden State to make a play for a player elsewhere.[/red]
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 12, 2009 20:34:19 GMT
Really not a fan of reward points, and I did notice that he had JUST enough points to screw me over. Maybe I write a little article and get like 6 points to spend? lol
But back to the reward points...you are saying the only considerations for a player agent are
1. money. If those are equal then 2. reward points
Playing time, city, the teams situation (competitiveness)...these types of things don't matter?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 12, 2009 20:44:37 GMT
Really not a fan of reward points, and I did notice that he had JUST enough points to screw me over. Maybe I write a little article and get like 6 points to spend? lol But back to the reward points...you are saying the only considerations for a player agent are 1. money. If those are equal then 2. reward points Playing time, city, the teams situation (competitiveness)...these types of things don't matter? That's correct. Except when a Re-Signing team can offer within 100 reward points of a competitor, then it gets decided by playing time and other factors the Player Agent might want to consider. Competitiveness is factored into reward points. You get 4 rps per win, and minus 1 rps every loss. The top teams all have more rps than the bottom ones. Also the Re-Signing team gets a 100 rps bonus, but sometimes that's just not going to be enough, and this is one of them I'm afraid.
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 12, 2009 20:50:27 GMT
You get plenty of points from writing articles and such, so how are just using RP's the way to look at competitiveness? Is it so much to ask the Player Agents to look at the actual team and how the player would likely fit in?
Just seems a little unfair that the people who seem to have more time to write crazy wacked out articles, and other useful articles, instead of having things in their real life to deal with, get an advantage that big.
I suppose it "is what it is", but I'm not a fan. And not just because I am getting a little screwed in this situation. i don't like the principal of the thing. I'm not a worse manager because I have less time to write articles than other managers like NJ...just means I have other things that are more important.
I like RP's for things like healing an injury and stuff like that, but a player should look at playing time, the shape of the team, and things like that when deciding where to play, not based on one manager writing articles and the other not.
/End Rant
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 17, 2009 16:38:38 GMT
[red]Danny Granger's contract negotiations will now enter the reward point bidding stage.
Golden State (re-signing), Phiadelphia, New York and New Jersey must now respond to this thread with their RP offers.[/red]
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Nov 17, 2009 17:34:00 GMT
The Dallas Mavricks would like to offer the following to Danny Granger:
09/10: $15,000,000 10/11: $15,500,000 11/12: $16,000,000 12/13: $16,500,000 13/14: $17,000,000
Total: 5 years, $80,000,000
AND ALL 113 OF RP.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 17, 2009 17:40:59 GMT
[red]The max contract is decided now at the level of New York's initial offer. There's no need to repost money offers since I'm downgrading all others to be the same as New York's. Just post RPs from now on. 113, thankyou [/red]
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 17, 2009 18:20:26 GMT
270
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 17, 2009 20:53:08 GMT
I offer (including my newly acquired points) all of my 178 points.
Thank you.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 17, 2009 20:56:28 GMT
how did you acquire these reward points?
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 17, 2009 21:34:20 GMT
Check the trades.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 17, 2009 22:17:21 GMT
We offer 280 reward points
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 17, 2009 23:16:27 GMT
I'm honestly considering dropping this league, because it is SOOOOOOOO unrealistic with the Rewards points stuff.
What is the argument for having these RP's anyway Boston? Why do they exist and why are they so powerful? You like being this unrealistic?
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Nov 18, 2009 9:11:30 GMT
I'm honestly considering dropping this league, because it is SOOOOOOOO unrealistic with the Rewards points stuff. What is the argument for having these RP's anyway Boston? Why do they exist and why are they so powerful? You like being this unrealistic? i dont like the reward point either...its kinda weird...but well the exist so i accept them...but anyway a simleague should be always very realistic like the real NBA...and there are no reward points at all...btw im happy i have traded bynum and granger lol
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Nov 18, 2009 9:16:57 GMT
I think we should consider the teams needs and what would be player's role if he would sign aside from money and reward points. to be somewhat realistic offer.
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Nov 18, 2009 10:19:59 GMT
It was a nice thing to offer to get league activity up, but I dont think they should impact an important part of the league like FA signings. In game stuff like upping a players primacy or getting them healthy is one thing, but to change the dynamic of a league is another. Like many have said, the realism is gone. And from the very beginning Boston has stated that D5 should be as close to real life as possible. Bit hypocritical, no?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 18, 2009 12:37:50 GMT
Not hypocritical in the slightest, LAC. Reward Points fill one of the only gaps in realism that exists in sim leagues.
In real life you've got team owners putting GMs under pressure to spend as little as possible on players, in sim leagues that pressure doesn't exist and you get Emeka Okafor or Luol Deng (in RR) earning $20m/yr. Deciding bidding wars by using Reward Points eliminates that problem and players can still possess a tradable value after their contracts have been negotiated.
Reward Points are also a reflection of both 1) team success and 2) a GMs enthusiasm. Earning reward points for wins and losing reward points for losses ensures that, at the season's end, there's scope for team success to factor into FA negotiations, and it has done. Earning reward points for media center articles rewards GMs for contributing to the life of the league. If you think they earn too much, all you've got to do is not vote on their articles - it's a self-regulating thing.
The guidelines for how Reward Points were going to work in the Off Season have been around since January 2009. Failing to prepare for their first Off Season debut isn't enough of a reason to call them shit.
I'm personally looking forward to all the media center and trading activity in the scramble to free up cap space and earn reward points to get in on the Lebron/Wade/Kobe sweepstakes next Off Season.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 18, 2009 13:36:53 GMT
Since GS no longer has that many reward points, I modify my offer back down to 270
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Post by greatwall - PHI on Nov 18, 2009 15:09:56 GMT
I'm with the rest of the GM's not named NJ, reward points being that powerful are too unrealistic, I think they are good for healing players and stuff, or in the event the PA just doesn't want to decide because it's so close. It hasn't even gotten to the PA yet (or he took the chicken way out.) You don't think real life free agents don't decide based on how good a team is, playing time, etc.? Why do you think I didn't bid on any big FA's? Other than my max offer at Granger, which was more of a joke, I didn't bid on any big FA's because my team is young and I don't have a shot at them. If I had 4352345243524354 reward points then I could.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 18, 2009 15:38:17 GMT
If I were you guys I'd take a look at how the rewards points system works and actually do something about your situation. Clearly there are successful teams out there with a glut of reward points and no cap space to pursue FAs, like Phoenix or Utah, who would quite easily trade in the realm of 200 rps for a guy to sure-up their bench like Chris Andersen or Mike James.
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Post by redstorm177 on Nov 18, 2009 17:28:38 GMT
Not to pile up on you, but I've never been a fan of the reward points either. I pretty much stopped writing articles when that system was created as a peaceful protest.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 18, 2009 18:01:41 GMT
I also agree that I enjoy the system of pming player agents better, but it has been outlined for a long time that reward points would play a role in this years free agency, so I think if there was to be protest then it should have been before free agency
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Post by greatwall - PHI on Nov 18, 2009 18:03:24 GMT
I also agree that I enjoy the system of pming player agents better, but it has been outlined for a long time that reward points would play a role in this years free agency, so I think if there was to be protest then it should have been before free agency I just couldn't fathom this is how it would work, infact I remember Dallas saying something in the shout box and I was like wow is that true? Anyways I've said my peace, I'll just have to write abunch of stupid articles next year.
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Post by trizir- HOU on Nov 18, 2009 20:17:34 GMT
there should be a extension signing a year before a contract expire especially for the rookie contracts just like in real life
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Nov 19, 2009 2:01:34 GMT
Yes, I heard/read that "rewards points would play a role" in free agency. I do not EVER remember hearing/reading that they would basically be the only factor. I figured, like in RR1 with the Artest negotiations, I was his Player Agent. I got it down from 9 teams to 4, but then was nitpicking the crap out of the teams to pick the best option. They all had good teams, 2 had better fits for him, but the other 2 had a better chance at a title. Point is, all 4 were pretty evenly matched up. Once I looked at all that kind of stuff, Rewards Points would have been something good to use. This system is just retarded. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but it is the truth.
I think it's also clear that most of the league had no idea it was going to work quite like this.
And one more thing, I'm very dedicated to this league, but I don't have the hours to write articles for it. So sue me?! Oh wait, you are just making it so I can't sign a player that I traded a great player - Dirk Nowitzki - for. I just get screwed, to be blunt again.
It makes no sense, and I honestly have no problem leaving the league if this is how the Free Agency works. I'm in these leagues to be like a General Manager/Owner of a team, and this is just ridiculous.
Feel free to replace me if the rules for Free Agency are staying like this.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 19, 2009 4:09:24 GMT
And were the teams who missed out on SF/SG Artest okay that you sent him to a team which already had a starting SF Lebron and SG Kobe? I notice that specific topic was locked right after you made your decision and that Artest signed this immense contract:Maybe that wasn't the best example of the Player Agent utopia you were describing? As far as I can tell, the only alternative which is better than the current system is: - GMs make offers and Player Agents keep their offers realistic
- Player Agents filter out the offers which cannot offer playing time or success.
- All teams can offer playing time to Granger.
- Only Philadelphia would here be eliminated by their lack of success (and lo and behold that's reflected in their lack of reward points already)
- Player Agents are still stuck with a choice between GSW, NYK and NJN.
So is it fairer that I just decide where Granger goes? What allegiance does Danny Granger have to your team anyway? He hasn't played a single game for the Warriors and you've already got Jeff Green who'll have to be benched. If anything New York should get Granger since they only have Devin Brown at SF and also made the conference finals. If anything the reward points system would've benefitted your team had you understood it before you made that godforsaken trade with Atlanta!! So perhaps Player Agents could filter offers that cannot offer as much playing time, and maybe we could filter offers more blatantly depending upon exact team success. Other than that, please explicitly outline where the reward points system is such a shit thing because I really don't get it. Please, please, please you need to respond to this post with something constructive which engages with each of the points I've made and, above all, offers an alternative.
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