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Post by New Jersey Nets on Sept 24, 2007 1:26:46 GMT
what is the point of salary cap then if you can just resign players anyway?
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Post by Erik Lassen on Sept 24, 2007 2:14:51 GMT
I think we should have a hard cap of $70. That way you can resign a player but only go 5 mil over the cap, and if the player agent truly believes that you are giving a fair offer to our client, it will be accepted based on the state of the team. For instance, if you were to give Gerald everything up to 70 million, it would be accepted because you are a good gm with a team going in the right direction.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Sept 24, 2007 2:16:37 GMT
I agree. Teams should not be able to go over the cap to resign players (except for MLE). If we allow teams to just go over the cap then there wont ever be any potential player movement and good teams will stay good & bad teams will stay bad. Im in favor of handling all contract negotiations through PM too. In the real NBA other teams dont know what other teams are offering, this would be especially important during free agency b/c this will prevent people from purposely raising the price on players
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Post by Erik Lassen on Sept 24, 2007 2:38:44 GMT
^^^Great point.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 24, 2007 9:23:21 GMT
I think some of you are getting a bit confused between signing Free Agents and just Re-Signing players already on your team, and to some extent, so have I! I poured through the NBA Salary Cap FAQ because I wasn't exactly sure where a MLE can apply, and I didn't realize that it's only used to sign Free Agents, NOT as part of the re-signing process. members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htmI had a good long think about whether teams should be able to go above the $65,000,000 when re-signing players and I decided to keep the rule stating that team's cannot exceed the salary cap when re-signing their own players. Given that the real NBA's salary cap is somewhere around $50m and we're using the same player salaries as they do, I figured it shouldn't be too difficult to create a financially sound team with enough talent to become a dynasty. I was worried that team's wouldn't be able to maintain their dynasty once they'd built it, but with a $65m cap and the fact that player-loyalty, chance of contending and things will factor into negotiations it shouldn't be too hard to maintain dynasty's once they're built.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 24, 2007 9:26:17 GMT
Oh and what New York said about re-signings is what I had in mind too. It's important to know the process by which GMs/Agents arrive at salaries and helps me to understand the appeal process for each re-signing - if there needs to be one.
When it comes to signing the major offseason Free Agents it may be beneficial to conduct negotiations via PM, I don't know yet, I'll take a look at that when we come to it.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 24, 2007 9:54:37 GMT
I have now moved the Andreas Nocioni thread to the Submit New Contract Extensions section, it will be the first official re-signing. Since I am the representative for the South East Division, I will handle the negotiations. dynastyfive.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=contractextensions&action=display&thread=1190424001Miami has encountered the problem of exceeding his cap in future years, but can offer a reasonable amount in the current year of Nocioni's contract. After yet another think (been doing a lot of that!) maybe there should be a hard cap of $70m introduced on future seasons of contracts, and the $65m rule should only apply to the first year of the contract... For one thing, we don't know what the salary cap will be in future seasons.
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Post by Erik Lassen on Sept 24, 2007 13:03:03 GMT
I like the idea of $70 hard cap on future seasons.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Sept 24, 2007 20:12:41 GMT
I think with this system of basically posting a salary for your player that there really isnt any personality to the player, and I feel that no team will actually lose a player. For instance, lets say my team was really crappy and I am trying to resign someone like Kobe Bryant. Kobe obviously isnt going to want to stay with my team. That is why working personally with the agent, other teams can also tell teh agent how they would accomodate a player rather than the player just hearing offers from one team.
For instance, any free agent in real life hears offers from all teams, and these players we are trying to re-sign are virtually free agents. Maybe though, since the player options was just kinda thrown out in the middle of the season, all players with player options this season become restricted free agents, meaning that the owner of the player can match any offer by another team. Then in future years, the player agent makes the decision if a player wants to stay with their current team in a player option year, or even seek a better salary with that team
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Sept 24, 2007 20:15:05 GMT
And the hole 70 mil hardcap thing doesnt make sense, because we are extending players for future years, not for this year. The cap was set at 65 million so I dont really understand a need for change (I realize this may be bias since I have enough to sign the guy I want). We do need to set some rules in stone though as to what we are going to be doing with this league.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Sept 24, 2007 22:57:08 GMT
I agree with NJ comments about dealing with the player agent via PM & getting on a more personal level. Extensions just give a team a chance to resign their player without having to worry about losing them via free agency. If for instance a player Im representing does not want an extension with their current team then I wont accept the offer & the player will become a free agent. So being able to give an extension doesnt necessarily mean that u are guaranteed to get that player back b/c u can afford him.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 25, 2007 11:18:33 GMT
As a player agent, you do have the right to flat out reject any chance of re-signing with a team that's offering if you can give reasons why.
I'd prefer it to be done publically though, incase there's an appeal. It would also let me know whether some GMs have just plain forgotten to re-sign their players, as I'm sure will happen with some inactive teams here. Though I do see the advantage of PMs being more personal.
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