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Post by redstorm177 on Sept 10, 2007 19:53:59 GMT
I think that if we set a maximum salary, it should be much higher than $15 million. I would either put it right at or just above $20 million for the first year of the contract. If we are trying to keep this league somewhat realistic, then $15 million is way too low seeing as how much the players in the real league are getting paid. I guess by putting the cap at $15 million that we would be protecting our GM's from overspending and hurting themselves in the future. If a team overpays for a guy (like Rashard Lewis in real life), well thats their problem, and they will have to live with the cap hell down the road.
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Post by jerry on Sept 11, 2007 3:46:11 GMT
Agreed, a $25m cap would be better. There are currently 21 players making over $15m a season in the NBA, but noone over $24m
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Post by Utah Jazz on Sept 11, 2007 4:30:39 GMT
Maybe $15 mil is to low, but $25 mil is way to high. I think $20 mil would be high enough
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Post by jerry on Sept 11, 2007 11:33:51 GMT
Well, I'd rather $25m than $15m myself, $15m is definitely too low, whereas a $25m cap may not even be necessary.
Jerry
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Post by jerry on Sept 11, 2007 12:12:58 GMT
I just read up on the NBA max contracts, it's currently set at $15.6m, 30% of the cap, but allows for increases of about ten percent per season. So allowing for a $2.5m jump in the cap every season, and the annual increases in Rashard's salary, it'll go up to $23.8m per season and about 35% of the cap by 2012/13.
Given that we don't want things to get too technical I think allowing a cap of $20m average per season is ideal. This would mean we could offer a 6 year, $20m deal, and the total would work out about the same as Rashards. ie:
$16m, $18m, $19m, $21m, $22m, $24m
(total $120m)
So you can exceed the current cap in future seasons, so long as the total amount stays at or under $20m per season. Also, we could raise it $1m or so every year to allow for inflation. You guys like it?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 11, 2007 13:15:40 GMT
I agree with $20m ($15m is too low and $25m a little too high) and Philly ^^ that's a cool way of handling it. We must establish what factors will influence each contract proposal and have a quick way of accessing that kind of information. I'm even talking about things like: - If a player grew up near where they are playing
- e.g. Vince Carter in Charlotte - well it's a little closer to Florida than most teams. Or if Paul Pierce could resign with Charlotte, but there's a noticable amount of free cap space in one of the Los Angeles teams where he came from who might want him (and a gap in that team's roster for a SF/SG of Pierce's type).
- If they're married/have kids they'd rather stay put? etc.
Or is that going a little OTT (it probly is!)? Also, should the same apply to Free Agent signings?
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Post by jerry on Sept 11, 2007 15:45:56 GMT
Hmmm, probably I'd just look at cash, the possibility of playing time, and give the previous team and playoff teams a slight edge for resigning them.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Sept 11, 2007 15:57:18 GMT
Yea i think factors such as money, playing time, possibility of winning, & possible teammates should be enough factors to decide on where a free agent signs or if a player signs an extension with their current team.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 12, 2007 17:14:48 GMT
Okay, I'm going to begin an official list of factors that will influence resigning and free agency. - Amount of money offered
- Expected playing time
- Possibility of winning & teammates' ratings
What about the Big Market factor? Should that only become a factor when all other factors are equal?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 12, 2007 17:17:29 GMT
We're also going to need a list of the official free agents this offseason.
This is a list of all those players who, I think, have Player Options at the end of this season:
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Post by redstorm177 on Sept 12, 2007 19:49:20 GMT
I think that info is a little off. I put together this list of upcoming player options from the info in the "Warning to GM's" thread dynastyfive.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1187514246: Billups, Chauncey Brezec, Primoz Carter, Vince Finley, Michael Garnett, Kevin Griffin, Eddie (original contract; doubt it applys now) Jamison, Antawn Lafraentz, Raef (original contract; released?) Lewis, Rashard Marbury, Stephon McDyess, Antonio Murray, Ronald Najera, Eduardo Oberto, Fabicio O'Neal, Jermaine Wallace, Gerald Note: I couldn't open the pages for the Lakers, Grizzlies, Heat and Magic.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 14, 2007 13:55:45 GMT
Thanks, New York. That's a better list, the one I got was just from an old league I was a part of. Philly should have the final say about who's contracts are expiring, he's the guru when it comes to salaries ^^I think those rules will still apply to contract extensions. Oh and each team must have completed their salary chart before attempting to extend a player - therefore Charlotte needs to work on his if he wants to keep VC!
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 17, 2007 15:01:05 GMT
For teams without active GMs (there's a few), we'll have to just do some justifiable number work and agree whether or not a player resigns with the team before the deadline (whenever that is!).
Should we also consider whether a player resigned or not in real life to help our decision process? Chauncey might take a little less than expected to resign, it seems like he wants to stay in Detroit for now.
Using Philly's example above, the max contract at 30% of our $65m cap ($19.5m) would look (at most) like this: $19.50m, $21.45m, $23.60m, $26.0m, $28.54m which I think becomes too much...
For my own reference, teams that I'd like to be agents: New York Chicago Philadelphia Utah and Boston ...ideally there'd be one more Agent so we'd each take one division. But I see no reason why we all can't pitch-in our thoughts on every contract-renewal/major-free-agent-signing. They don't have be conducted via PMs, I think there'd be advantages to the threads being made public in the Contract Extensions section.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Sept 17, 2007 16:50:15 GMT
why not just have player agents do all the contract extensions with your team instead of having a specific rate.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 17, 2007 21:25:01 GMT
why not just have player agents do all the contract extensions with your team instead of having a specific rate. Yep that's what we're doing. The salary outlined above is just an attempt to define the *max* salary that can be offered.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Sept 18, 2007 3:03:37 GMT
Official Free Agents
Hassan Adams Malik Allen Alan Anderson Derek Anderson Martynas Andriuskevicius Rafael Araujo Chucky Atkins Kelenna Azubuike Matt Barnes Andre Barrett Earl Barron Brandon Bass Esteban Batista Charlie Bell Chauncey Billups Steve Blake Andray Blatche Matt Bonner Calvin Booth Earl Boykins Andre Brown Dee Brown Devin Brown P.J. Brown Pat Burke Zarko Cabarkapa Matt Carroll Vince Carter Kelvin Cato Austin Croshere Dale Davis Travis Diener Melvin Ely Derek Fisher Danny Fortson Steve Francis Mike Hall Junior Harrington Jason Hart Chuck Hayes Jarvis Hayes Alan Henderson Grant Hill Eddie House Ersan Ilyasova Royal Ivey Marc Jackson Amir Johnson Alexander Johnson DerMarr Johnson Linton Johnson III Dahntay Jones Dwayne Jones Eddie Jones Jumaine Jones Jason Kapono Brevin Knight Yaroslav Korolev Rashard Lewis Randy Livingston Jamaal Magloire Sean Marks Rawle Marshall Darrick Martin Desmond Mason Roger Mason Jeff McInnis Aaron McKie Keith McLeod Stanislav Medvedenko Chris Mihm CJ Miles Darko Milicic Mikki Moore d**embe Mutombo Andres Nocioni Michael Olowokandi Bo Outlaw Travis Outlaw Smush Parker Ruben Patterson Sasha Pavlovic Gary Payton Morris Peterson Mickael Pietrus Scot Pollard James Posey Vitaly Potapenko Josh Powell Ronnie Price Jared Reiner Lawrence Roberts Jalen Rose Michael Ruffin Jamal Sampson Luke Schenscher Uros Slokar Joe Smith Pape Sow Jerry Stackhouse Michael Sweetney Donell Taylor Jake Tsakalidis Ime Udoka Anderson Varejao Jacque Vaughn Jake Voskuhl Gerald Wallace Luke Walton Chris Webber Mike Wilks Justin Williams Mo Williams Shammond Williams Corliss Williamson Kevin Willis Bracey Wright
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Post by redstorm177 on Sept 18, 2007 16:38:50 GMT
Holy crap! THE Mike Hall is a free agent!
Of that list, he's the only guy that I've never heard of.
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Post by lucaswrestling - MIA on Sept 18, 2007 17:02:42 GMT
Waiting to can resign with Nocioni...
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 19, 2007 10:45:43 GMT
Okay let's use Nocioni as a test example in this thread. - Playing Time: He's probably got a starting place on his team, but there are lots of small forwards similarly rated on the Heat. So I'm not convinced he's assured of a starting place.
- Quentin Richardson (73), Vlad Radmanovic (70) and possibly still Grant Hill (78) (since I think we should block the Heat from releasing him because he doesn't understand what he's doing!) also play for Miami.
- Offered Salary: He's currently being paid $3,030,000 and can probably earn a lot more.
- Chance of Winning: The Heat are certainly considered a contender in this league, so there's no problems when it comes to winning - altho Phoenix and Detroit are clearly the favorites this season.
Miami's current total salaries stand at: $57,028,042 Minus Nocioni's: $53,998,042 Salary Cap: $65,000,000 The Heat have $11,001,958 space to spend on free agency/resignings which should be enough to resign Nocioni. ________________________________________________________ We as Player Agents will be looking to push for the maximum possible for Nocioni, and hopefully Miami will do his job and counter-offer with what he would rather pay Andreas Nocioni. If I were Andreas' player agent I'd immediately look to the Heat's bench player Quentin Richardson (73) who'll earn this over the next three years: $6,960,000 - $8,105,500 - $8,825,750 Or New Orleans' Desmond Mason (73) who earns $8,036,667 this year. Or even Golden State's Antoine Walker, ergh! If I were Andreas Nocioni's agent I'd be pushing for 7 or 8 million dollars per year. ______________________________________________________ Do you guys think that's^^ the correct way of going about contract extensions? Is it too much?!
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Post by Erik Lassen on Sept 19, 2007 12:51:27 GMT
That's perfect.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 19, 2007 16:21:30 GMT
I've sent a PM to Miami requesting him to post a new thread in the Contract Extensions section to re-sign Andreas Nocioni. In this instance I will assume the responsibility of Player Agent but when/if Miami creates the thread you're all welcome to give input and suggestions towards Nocioni's resigning.
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Post by redstorm177 on Sept 20, 2007 0:02:28 GMT
Yeah, sounds good man.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 22, 2007 22:02:27 GMT
(I've locked up the Contract Extensions Section now, I didn't think it would spark a load of GMs to extend their players all at once. We'll sort out Nocioni and Peterson first. But before that there need to be some confusions set straight, and maybe even debated here first.) - In Nocioni's thread a number of GMs believe that you can exceed the salary cap when you resign players, which isn't the case. A few days ago I moved the old Info: thread out of the Contract Extensions Section which stated that the signing must not take your team over the cap for any year during his contract.
That thread had been there since May 21st but this matter should still be open for debate. What are peoples opinions on this?
- Also, the system that's been outlined above in this thread unfortunately requires the understanding of each GM to work.
In the case of Seattle re-signing Rashard Lewis (link) I believe we already have an instance where our system has failed us and Seattle has almost pushed the boat as much as Otis Smith. Bad contracts will make bad teams and, although it should be possible to make a max contract for players that are worthy of one, we face the age old problem of loss of interest in the league if we let it slide.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Sept 23, 2007 23:23:00 GMT
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Sept 23, 2007 23:26:55 GMT
IMO we should be able to go over the cap when re-signing.
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Post by redstorm177 on Sept 23, 2007 23:35:48 GMT
IMO we should be able to go over the cap when re-signing. If we were to do that, we would definitely have to institue a "hard cap" to prevent teams from being able to re-sign all of their free agents. I'm not saying I agree with this idea, but if the salary cap is set at $65 million, the hard cap could be set at $75 or at most $80 million. Under this idea, the advantage to being under the salary cap is that you can freely sign free agents up to the $65 million mark. If your over that mark, you may only sign free agents with your mid-level exception (MLE). And if your attempting to re-sign your own players or if your taking on excess salary in a trade, you can absolutely not go over the "hard cap" figure. I'm still undecided, though, regarding whether or not I agree with the above idea. Under the current rules, teams are forced to have more fiscal responsiblity, which should translate into a more even playing field...which is a good thing.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Sept 24, 2007 0:11:30 GMT
i think we should be able to just PM our Player Agent and then the agent posts it when the contract is agreed upon
keeps it a lot more organized IMO and u really get to work with the agent personally
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Sept 24, 2007 0:26:12 GMT
btw how do you re-sign a player if you're already over the cap?
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Sept 24, 2007 0:30:43 GMT
IMO we should be able to go over the cap when re-signing. I agree with SAS, I think teams should have an Opportunity to re-sign there own FA's going over the cap without being penalized. And besides let's not forget, the player agents have more power then the team, so if the player agent believes their client deserves better then they don't have to take that option.
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Post by redstorm177 on Sept 24, 2007 0:31:16 GMT
i think we should be able to just PM our Player Agent and then the agent posts it when the contract is agreed upon keeps it a lot more organized IMO and u really get to work with the agent personally I think all contract extension conversation should be posted in the thread. It will allow everyone else in the league to see whats going on which will make sure negotiations are being properly done. Boston mentioned that there may be an appeal process, and by having every word of conversation and reasoning posted in the thread, that process will be much easier.
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