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Post by bringit - CHA on May 20, 2009 21:18:12 GMT
Trade 1
To Bobcats
81 Predrag Stojakovic - $13,068,000 - $14,202,000 - $15,366,000 72 Martell Webster - $5,000,000 - $5,500,000 - $6,000,000 - $6,500,000 - $7,000,000 76 Andris Biedrins - $8,000,000 - $9,000,000 - $10,000,000 - $10,500,000 - $11,000,000
Total Incoming: 26.068,000 Total Outgoing: 21,500,000
To Portland
85 Jermaine O'Neal - $17,000,000 - $18,500,000 - $20,000,000 75 Anthony Parker - $4,550,000
Total Incoming: 21,500,000 Total Outgoing: 26.068,000
Works under 1.25 % rule
Trade 2
To Bobcats
85 Jermaine O'Neal - $17,000,000 - $18,500,000 - $20,000,000
Total Incoming:17,000,000 Total Outgoing: 13,000,000
To Portland
72 Martell Webster - $5,000,000 - $5,500,000 - $6,000,000 - $6,500,000 - $7,000,000 76 Andris Biedrins - $8,000,000 - $9,000,000 - $10,000,000 - $10,500,000 - $11,000,000 2nd Rounder - 2010 - New Jersey
Total Incoming: 13,000,000 Total Outgoing: 17,000,000
Key Notes:
With the 1.25 % Rules, Portland will be getting back 16,250,000, so i am 750,000 short where now ill be using 50 reward points for this: "Exceed the salary cap by $2,500,000 on a lopsided transation"
I have added what the MODS have asked from me, by adding a 2nd rounder ( a draft pick) in this deal. Hope this is fine
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Post by gotmymoney - POR on May 20, 2009 21:23:45 GMT
okay, once again i accept this deal. I did this deal for many reason, roster spot, draft high and save cap room for next year. I have also listen to you guys about adding a draft pick. I hope this is fine now. I have had offers for peja when this deal was getting voted, and all the gms who sent me an offer gave me cap for next year which i did not want. Bobcats are willing to give me what i want and that is why peja should be a bobcats.
portland GM
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 20, 2009 21:28:50 GMT
Jesus I've just watched a very confusing David Lynch film and now I have to deal with this?! lol You need to condense the two trades down into one. Surely that's possible? Why make one trade, and trade players back? There doesn't need to be that level of complexity. Owwwwiee my brain...
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 20, 2009 21:32:06 GMT
To Bobcats
81 Predrag Stojakovic - $13,068,000 - $14,202,000 - $15,366,000
To Portland
75 Anthony Parker - $4,550,000 2nd Rounder - 2010 - New Jersey
This is what this trade actually involves. I'll leave it open to discussion from other GMs for a while to discuss the legality of making two trades involving the same players (O'Neal, Webster and Biedrins) just to get the salaries to work.
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Post by bringit - CHA on May 20, 2009 21:39:47 GMT
Jesus I've just watched a very confusing David Lynch film and now I have to deal with this?! lol You need to condense the two trades down into one. Surely that's possible? Why make one trade, and trade players back? There doesn't need to be that level of complexity. Owwwwiee my brain... lol sorry Boston, i got the idea for SpursGM, he did a trade like this in NBA Legends its legal right? But yeah salary reasons was the issue
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Post by bringit - CHA on May 20, 2009 21:43:18 GMT
I for one think its fine, i dont mind make the 1st trade now and then a day later making the 2nd trade. At the end of the day i will be getting my players back. There is always a way to cheat the system Also its very rare and hard to find working salaries so this shouldnt happen all the time.
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Post by greatwall - PHI on May 21, 2009 0:26:30 GMT
Well I think I started the trade back, just fyi. BOS asked for feed back and I don't see what POR really Gaines from this other than cap space? He said
"I have had offers for peja when this deal was getting voted, and all the gms who sent me an offer gave me cap for next year which i did not want."
So if you don't want cap space for next year, why are you doing this deal? Peja and Parker are both old as hell, don't really see the logic....though if CHA threw in maybe Kapono it wouldn't be a bad deal. The #'s aren't that far off (in real life) but I just don't get why POR is doing this unless they want cap. That's my 2 cents, it's not a horrible deal but Portland's explanation kind of threw me for a loop.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on May 21, 2009 0:59:36 GMT
Well I think I started the trade back, just fyi. BOS asked for feed back and I don't see what POR really Gaines from this other than cap space? He said "I have had offers for peja when this deal was getting voted, and all the gms who sent me an offer gave me cap for next year which i did not want." So if you don't want cap space for next year, why are you doing this deal? Peja and Parker are both old as hell, don't really see the logic....though if CHA threw in maybe Kapono it wouldn't be a bad deal. The #'s aren't that far off (in real life) but I just don't get why POR is doing this unless they want cap. That's my 2 cents, it's not a horrible deal but Portland's explanation kind of threw me for a loop. I think you took his quote a little out of context, I think he wants cap space but didn't properly put it in perfect words.
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Post by greatwall - PHI on May 21, 2009 1:04:10 GMT
I'm just quoting what I read, POR can you please explain?
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on May 21, 2009 4:17:16 GMT
IMO...it's circumventing the cap rules. I have expressed my opinion in a couple of leagues that allow this and I'm assuming it's allowed here as well. But If we are trying to mirror the gameplay of the NBA, then trades such as this shouldn't be allowed. It violates the CBA 60 day rule.
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Post by bringit - CHA on May 21, 2009 11:25:24 GMT
we have a CBA rule?
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Post by redstorm177 on May 21, 2009 14:27:08 GMT
I personally don't like the whole 2-trade idea. Sure its creative, but it also takes away the integrity of the trading rules. Should we judge each trade separately (the 1st one would be an easy reject), or the final sum after both trades?
I still reject this trade. A second round pick isn't enough to change my view on this deal.
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Post by Utah Jazz on May 21, 2009 20:35:23 GMT
I personally don't like the whole 2-trade idea. Sure its creative, but it also takes away the integrity of the trading rules. Should we judge each trade separately (the 1st one would be an easy reject), or the final sum after both trades? I still reject this trade. A second round pick isn't enough to change my view on this deal. IMO...it's circumventing the cap rules. I have expressed my opinion in a couple of leagues that allow this and I'm assuming it's allowed here as well. But If we are trying to mirror the gameplay of the NBA, then trades such as this shouldn't be allowed. It violates the CBA 60 day rule. I agree 100% with Milwaukee and New York. I think this type of severly undermines the trading rules we have in place in this league. This type of trading would allow for GM's to make deals that would nomally not work under the salary cap rules we have in place (like this one). If we allow this type of trading it is only a matter of time IMO before teams are making 3,4,5, etc.. trades in the same deal to get salaries to match up. Just my 2 cents
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 21, 2009 23:25:11 GMT
I've made up my mind on this style of trading, and I'm not going to allow it. Maybe we need a 60 day rule? I've never come across this style of trading before, so that's why the league hasn't got a rule which deals with it.
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Post by greatwall - PHI on May 22, 2009 2:35:16 GMT
I know I started it and got it from a league a long time ago, but I am in total agreement with it not being good policy...just if people are going to do it you have to do it too. No 60 day rule please lol, just say you can't trade players back for salary purposes...pretty obvious when someone does it.
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Post by redstorm177 on May 22, 2009 15:15:37 GMT
I know I started it and got it from a league a long time ago, but I am in total agreement with it not being good policy...just if people are going to do it you have to do it too. No 60 day rule please lol, just say you can't trade players back for salary purposes...pretty obvious when someone does it. Yep, I agree with Philly. The 60 day rule (or any time period) is unnecessary and will only hurt the league with inactivity. I would just do away with the double trading to circumvent the salary rules like in this trade.
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Post by Erik Lassen on May 22, 2009 20:01:21 GMT
This is so weird haha. I don't think we should have double trades like this though personally. All the reasons have already been stated.
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