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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 28, 2009 16:07:33 GMT
Indiana Pacers Send:
PG Jameer Nelson (78) - $7,000,000-$7,000,000-$7,000,000-$7,000,000-$7,000,000 PF Paul Millsap (77) $797,581 PF Tyrus Thomas (73) - $3,749,880-$4,743,598 PF Tim Thomas (71) - $6,049,400-$6,466,600 SF Jorge Garbajosa (72) - $4,350,000
Option to swap 1st round picks in 2009
Incoming Salary: $18,120,417 Outgoing Salary: $21,946,861
Los Angeles Lakers Send:
PF Carlos Boozer (87) - $11,593,817 SF Joe Alexander (74) - $1,748,800 - $1,879,900 - $2,011,100 - $2,564,150 FC Stromile Swift (73) - $3,000,000 - $3,500,000 - $4,000,000 - $4,500,000 - $5,000,000 PF DJ White (66) - $797,600 - $857,400 - $917,200 - $1,655,550 SG Nicolas Batum (63) - $980,200 - $1,053,700 - $1,127,200 - $1,854,240
2nd round pick 2010
Incoming Salary: $21,946,861 Outgoing Salary: $18,120,417
I accept! This trade allows me to build for the future, while giving IND the chance to win now.
Originally, this trade had him giving me his 1st round pick, but we altered it so that I would just have the option of moving up if his pick were higher than mine. Also, I included a 2nd round pick in 2010. As we've all seen in the playoffs, Boozer's dominance is something to be reckoned with. With IND's posts, he is gaining the points he needs to re-sign Boozer in the off-season.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 28, 2009 16:28:03 GMT
I accept for the same reasons posted before, and as for needing to resign Boozer I will have the cap space to do so and now I'm starting to earn reward points through writing articles and with Boozer on my team I'll win more games getting more reward points.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Apr 28, 2009 17:50:42 GMT
I don't see how this is different. The Lakers have the option to move up if Indiana's pick is higher...which it is going to be, so he gets it anyway. The only thing is Indiana will get the Lakers pick in the process. However, if the Lakers somehow finish with a worse record and a better pick, no exchange occurs.
Only benefits the Lakers either way.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 28, 2009 19:57:32 GMT
I don't see how this is different. The Lakers have the option to move up if Indiana's pick is higher...which it is going to be, so he gets it anyway. The only thing is Indiana will get the Lakers pick in the process. However, if the Lakers somehow finish with a worse record and a better pick, no exchange occurs. Only benefits the Lakers either way. There is a major difference... The main criticism in this deal was that IND was giving up his 1st round pick with no assurance that Boozer would be re-signed. With this deal, he will keep a lottery pick and also gets a 2nd round pick 2010.
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Post by greatwall - PHI on Apr 28, 2009 21:51:17 GMT
I don't see the issue with this, unless Boozer's agent say Carlos doesn't want to go to Indiana. I didn't like Indy giving up his 09 1st but LA won't be all that great and will probably be a lottery pick. Indiana with a starting 5 of Bayless/Crawford/Salmons/Boozer/Hawes will do better and is pretty solid. I like Indy trading for a good player, I've never seen him do this and I like it.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 29, 2009 3:43:25 GMT
I don't see how this is different. The Lakers have the option to move up if Indiana's pick is higher...which it is going to be, so he gets it anyway. The only thing is Indiana will get the Lakers pick in the process. However, if the Lakers somehow finish with a worse record and a better pick, no exchange occurs. Only benefits the Lakers either way. I don't see how you think it's impossible for me to catch LAL in wins, I know I'm only 9-33 but he's at 16-27 . (Now it's 10-33 to 16-28)
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Apr 29, 2009 18:24:04 GMT
It doesn't matter Indiana. If you pass him and get the better record, you still don't get his pick. He has that option.
Tyrus Thomas > Joe Alexander Paul Millsap < Carlos Boozer (although, it might be worthy to note that Utah feels fine letting Boozer go because they have Millsap, they feel he can fill his shoes finely) Jameer Nelson >>>> LAL garbage
I mean, I don't know if this trade is bad enough to decline but it certainly favors one side.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 29, 2009 18:31:51 GMT
If I pass him that means my pick wont be part of the deal and if I don't then I get his pick, that's what matters
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 29, 2009 19:51:45 GMT
im sorry but this just doesnt make sense
indianas players (nelson, millsap, thomas) are FINALLY playing to potential and are worth a ton, and he trades all 3 of them for one player whose numbers are going to drastically decline after he leaves the pick and roll offense of utah
not to mention, he is giving up a top 5 pick aswell
indiana, you really should rethink this
also, im pretty sure you cant trade the right to trade picks like that in this league
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Apr 29, 2009 19:58:42 GMT
Okay so...if we take away all the less important parts of the deal and focus on the real meat here, we're left with this:
Jameer Nelson Paul Millsap Better pick
for
Carlos Boozer worse pick
Like I said, Millsap is replacing Boozer IRL, so with more PT and a starting role for the entire season, expect a ratings increase for him.
Nelson is easily a top PG in the league now, and a big part of Orlando's early season success.
The Lakers could end up picking 10-15. The Pacers could end up picking 1-5. We're talking a potential 10 pick difference.
THEN Boozer expires. Considering all real possibilities, Boozer would never resign with this team. No offense, Indiana. Unless they made it mandatory for Indiana to keep Boozer, there's just no way.
So, he would have essentially traded:
Paul Millsap Tyrus Thomas Jameer Nelson 5-10 picks down in the draft
for
cap room.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 29, 2009 23:34:26 GMT
Yeah I have to agree with Miami.
Indiana's team-building strategy tends to oscillate between a youth movement and paradoxically trading it away for a star, with each trade successively diminishing the overall value of his roster without being bad enough to outright reject. This process has culminated in one of the league's worst records.
That and, at the end of last season, Indy traded Boozer to me in this deal:
Since then, Millsap's value has increased hugely and it could look like a coup by this time next year. And now he's trading away Millsap and Nelson and Tyrus Thomas too.
I initially stayed out of this one, because the Lakers making this trade was dependent upon me making my trade with him and I don't want to look like I'm just messing with him. But I think it's obvious I'm not doing that and these are my views.
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Post by Erik Lassen on Apr 30, 2009 4:34:49 GMT
Pretty much the best explanation possible.
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 3, 2009 9:22:49 GMT
Rejected.
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