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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 18, 2009 19:44:25 GMT
Off Season Free Agency is the one thing which always looms in the distance of each season. The last two years we haven't got it 100% right, even though we've done a pretty good job.
To avoid things like Emeka Okafor's contract last season happening again, I think it would be good to implement a rule which introduces a "base year" to a player's salary.
For example, if Emeka Okafor's "base year" is $12,000,000 he could have a contract which looks like this: $12,000,000 - $13,320,000 - $14,785,200 - $16,411,572 (increasing by the maximum 11% each year)
or
$13,320,000 - $12,000,000 - $13,320,000 - $14,785,200
^The "base year" of $12m is there to anchor the contract.
What do you guys think?
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 21, 2009 23:51:16 GMT
Umm I don't really like the idea of having an absolutly capped contract negotiation... I think it should be in the hands of the player agent to decide whether or not a contract is in the spirit of the league. Instead of imposing rules on the general public, try to make sure that the player agents know exactly how to deal with the situations of huge contracts and go from there.
Although it was unfortunate that Chicago lost his player, I don't think it is necessary to make crazy rules for GMs who are unable to resign players... the player agents just want what is best for the player, NOT for the incumbent GM
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 23, 2009 18:03:48 GMT
Okay, so these are the big expiring contracts this Off Season, what would you say would be their 'anchor years'?
(Please bear in mind that their contract can increase a maximum 11% each year).
Andrew Bynum ATL Danny Granger ATL Deron Williams BOS Carlos Boozer BOS Anthony Parker CHA Grant Hill CHA Chris Paul CHI Mehmet Okur CHI Lamar Odom DAL Raymond Felton DAL Jamal Crawford DAL Rasheed Wallace DET Mike Bibby DET Marvin Williams HOU Paul Millsap IND Allen Iverson LAC Chris Wilcox MEM Jason Kidd NJN David Lee NYK Andrew Bogut OKC Shawn Marion OKC Hedo Turkoglu ORL Baron Davis PHI Andre Miller SAS Gilbert Arenas WAS
- Base Year - increasing by the maximum 11% annually - $1,000,000 - $1,110,000 - $1,232,100 - $1,367,631 - $1,518,070 - $2,000,000 - $2,220,000 - $2,464,200 - $2,735,262 - $3,036,141 - $3,000,000 - $3,330,000 - $3,696,300 - $4,102,893 - $4,554,211 - $4,000,000 - $4,440,000 - $4,928,400 - $5,470,524 - $6,072,282 - $5,000,000 - $5,550,000 - $6,160,500 - $6,838,155 - $7,590,352 - $6,000,000 - $6,660,000 - $7,392,600 - $8,205,786 - $9,108,422 - $7,000,000 - $7,770,000 - $8,624,700 - $9,573,417 - $10,626,493 - $8,000,000 - $8,880,000 - $9,856,800 - $10,941,048 - $12,144,563 (Grant Hill) - $9,000,000 - $9,990,000 - $11,088,900 - $12,308,679 - $13,662,634 (Raymond Felton?) - $10,000,000 - $11,100,000 - $12,321,000 - $13,676,310 - $15,180,704 - $11,000,000 - $12,210,000 - $13,553,100 - $15,043,941 - $16,698,775 - $12,000,000 - $13,320,000 - $14,785,200 - $16,411,572 - $18,216,845 - $13,000,000 - $14,430,000 - $16,017,300 - $17,779,203 - $19,734,915 - $14,000,000 - $15,540,000 - $17,249,400 - $19,146,834 - $21,252,986 - $15,000,000 - $16,650,000 - $18,481,500 - $20,514,465 - $22,771,056 (Deron Williams/Gilbert Arenas?) - $16,000,000 - $17,760,000 - $19,713,600 - $21,882,096 - $24,289,127 (Carlos Boozer?) - $17,000,000 - $18,870,000 - $20,945,700 - $23,249,727 - $25,807,197 (Chris Paul?) - $18,000,000 - $19,980,000 - $22,177,800 - $24,617,358 - $27,325,267 - $19,000,000 - $21,090,000 - $23,409,900 - $25,984,989 - $28,843,338 - $20,000,000 - $22,200,000 - $24,642,000 - $27,352,620 - $30,361,408
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 23, 2009 18:15:42 GMT
I think we should use what they got in real life as a base (besides what Arenas got) Like for instance, Chris Pauls contract irl for the first two years is $13,758,000 - $15,202,590, so something around $14 to $15 million for a base year seems fair. The only players I think that should have a base year starting over $17 million is LeBron and Kobe when they become free agents.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Apr 23, 2009 18:21:03 GMT
I think we should use what they got in real life as a base (besides what Arenas got) Like for instance, Chris Pauls contract irl for the first two years is $13,758,000 - $15,202,590, so something around $14 to $15 million for a base year seems fair. The only players I think that should have a base year starting over $17 million is LeBron and Kobe when they become free agents. i didnt even bother to read the rest of your paragraph after the first sentence. "I think we should use what they got in real life as a base (besides what Arenas got)." You already contradicted your self. You can't say we should use this, but with exceptions, because then it becomes biased. Just because you believe Arenas is over paid doesn't mean someone else does, and that can be said for every player in the league.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 23, 2009 18:36:53 GMT
Wait I am going to restate that, even though his contract as a whole is overpaid his base year is $14,653,466, which isn't bad.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Apr 23, 2009 23:45:58 GMT
It's beside the point anyway, you're focusing on Arenas.
The point is there should be no exceptions. You either use it for everybody or use it for no one. Period.
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Post by jlawdrummer - GSW on Apr 24, 2009 13:55:17 GMT
I think sticking pretty closely to the contract that those studs get after their rookie contract is a good idea. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc before and now CP3 and dwight more or less all went for the same contract after their rookie contract was up. They all started in the 12-14 million dollar range. I think we should stay fairly close to that as a base year.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 24, 2009 18:35:14 GMT
It's beside the point anyway, you're focusing on Arenas. The point is there should be no exceptions. You either use it for everybody or use it for no one. Period. No it's not, if it's majority voted their can be an exception to anything.
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 1, 2009 17:26:11 GMT
I think sticking pretty closely to the contract that those studs get after their rookie contract is a good idea. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc before and now CP3 and dwight more or less all went for the same contract after their rookie contract was up. They all started in the 12-14 million dollar range. I think we should stay fairly close to that as a base year. Good call. But a $12m base-year for Chris Paul seems strangely low. The establishment of a base-year is not to force everyone to pay exactly that amount, it's to set a point where bidding cannot exceed. edit: bad contracts are also realistic, just like good ones, is the point I'm trying to make but there is a point where contracts become ridiculous, and that's what the base-year will stop happening.
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 1, 2009 20:54:49 GMT
Why don't you just do like Legends, 5 years 20 M is the most you can offer any player and let GM's use judgment? I like this idea better. Legends can use 20m/yr as their max, but I'd rather make it player-specific since we only deal with twenty or so big-name FAs each off season, and I feel it's important to get it right for the long term health of the league.
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Post by matt on May 4, 2009 22:18:09 GMT
I like BC's plan, with some tweaking from him and his top dogg's for making all contracts original and playd close to their talent levels OR atleast to the level that that team needs that player.
EX: players around 75 OVR should be payed evenly, but if one is a starter and one isn't or if one is playing a bigger role on a team, then they should get payed a slight amount more.
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 4, 2009 23:51:13 GMT
EX: players around 75 OVR should be payed evenly, but if one is a starter and one isn't or if one is playing a bigger role on a team, then they should get payed a slight amount more. I like that idea.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Oct 2, 2009 21:21:57 GMT
I'm going to change this so that there's a level *around which contracts can exist*.
For instance, you set a first year figure of $13,000,000 for Chris Paul, but the contract can go as high as $15,000,000 in its first year or as low as $11,000,000.
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