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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 2, 2008 13:29:16 GMT
Player Rating Changes - April 2nd, 2008
These mid-season rating changes are the most number of rating changes we've ever decided to make in one announcement! Please look under your division to see if any of your players are included. If you think we've overlooked someone, or we've been too harsh/too friendly to a player's rating be sure to mention it in reply to this thread. The next player rating changes will be announced shortly after the end of the playoffs, prior to the Off Season, and will probably not cover as many players as this one has done.
Atlantic: 57 - 70 Louis Williams 66 - 72 Jamario Moon 68 - 73 Kendrick Perkins 66 - 69 Reggie Evans 88 - 87 Ray Allen 72 - 66 Lindsey Hunter 65 - 72 Ronny Brewer 72 - 66 Gerald Green 69 - 72 Rajon Rondo 73 - 69 Donyell Marshall 86 - 82 Shaquille O'Neal 79 - 81 Tyson Chandler
Central: 82 - 75 Stephon Marbury 66 - 71 JC Navarro 66 - 71 Jason Maxiell 75 - 79 Mike Dunleavy 67 - 71 John Salmons 77 - 80 Chris Kaman 78 - 75 Charlie Villanueva
SEast: 71 - 79 Andrew Bynum 79 - 84 Brandon Roy 80 - 84 Al Jefferson 74 - 80 Hedo Turkoglu 78 - 80 Danny Granger 63 - 69 Francisco Garcia 78 - 79 Monta Ellis 69 - 70 Brendan Haywood 72 - 62 Keith Van Horn 87 - 85 Jermaine O'Neal 70 - 71 Daniel Gibson
NWest: 59 - 69 Kyle Lowry 68 - 69 Linas Kleiza 67 - 69 Nick Young 75 - 71 Earl Boykins 58 - 69 Josh Boone 65 - 71 Jason Kapono 67 - 71 Beno Udrih 67 - 69 Damien Wilkins 83 - 84 Caron Butler
Pacific: 64 - 70 Glen Davis 71 - 72 Martell Webster 81 - 79 Larry Hughes 79 - 74 Ricky Davis 72 - 74 Luis Scola 72 - 73 Al Thornton 79 - 82 David West 65 - 69 Andre Blatche
SWest: 58 - 68 Brandon Bass 70 - 76 Jose Calderon 77 - 75 Andrea Bargnani 69 - 64 Lorenzen Wright 79 - 77 Boris Diaw 77 - 80 Stephen Jackson 74 - 70 Devean George 69 - 64 Marcus Haislip 78 - 71 Michael Finley
The following players will retire and/or leave the league at the end of the playoffs: Retiring/Leaving the League: Dale Davis Voshon Lenard Darius Miles Antonio Davis Chris Webber Alonzo Mourning Clifford Robinson Penny Hardaway Doug Christie David Wesley
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 2, 2008 13:51:44 GMT
*Please update your Depth Charts to reflect the changes in these player ratings.
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Post by od3n52 - OKC on Apr 2, 2008 15:12:59 GMT
Not much for me..And from my semi-bias P.O.V., Brandon Roy > 84.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 2, 2008 21:04:52 GMT
I dont want to be too harsh or anything, but... are you guys retarded?? ray allen gets 18 ppg, 4 rpg, and 3 apg on the best team in the league (RL) rasheed wallace gets 13 ppg, 6 rpg on a worse team (RL) yet ray allen goes down in ratings... rasheed is still an 87 and i thought you said chandler was gonna get bumped? honestly, i think you guys take youth into factor too much you have put down a lot of veterans that still perform while overrating young players with potential gerald wallace needs to increase too... IMO he should be like a 88-89 since he is a step above guys like tayshaun prince and caron butler
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 2, 2008 21:39:27 GMT
I agree with Tyson Chandler. I'll add him to the list. I pondered over his name probably more than any other player (that wasn't included in this list), but considering David West is now an 82, I think it's safe to make Tyson an 81 atleast.
Ray Allen's 88 - 87 drop was just because, overall, I think he's more of a mid/high-80s guy. He's not an all around presence, his defence isn't superb, to have a rating that's top-80s I think you need to be more complete.
Gerald Wallace just isnt a high 80s. He's not particularly better than Caron or Tayshaun in my opinion.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 2, 2008 21:54:21 GMT
Thats the problem... these are based off of your and the committees opinion
base it off stats
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Post by affect - DET on Apr 2, 2008 22:19:31 GMT
Basing it off stats would be stupid. Who cares what numbers the are getting. If a player comes in and makes a difference he deserves a rating change. The hole detroit starting lineup gets under 20 ppg and you seem to love to mention that. 3 of them are superstars and deserve 80+ ratings.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 2, 2008 22:37:43 GMT
I'm sorry but 13 ppg is not a superstar
Rasheed is having a worse season than Shaq (who is also on a team with 3 superstars), yet Shaq is an 82 and Sheed is an 87
You cant even use the game changer arguement about Shaq
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Post by affect - DET on Apr 2, 2008 22:42:11 GMT
I'm sorry but 13 ppg is not a superstar Rasheed is having a worse season than Shaq (who is also on a team with 3 superstars), yet Shaq is an 82 and Sheed is an 87 You cant even use the game changer arguement about Shaq Also wasn't my hole argument not to look at stats? Lol people here hate Shaq and you knew he would go down taking him. In the trade you clearly said you understood he would have a rating drop. Now all this hot air is your fault, stop complaining.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 2, 2008 23:38:34 GMT
I just want to know how the committe thinks Shaq should go down but not Rasheed Wallace.
If I am just making a fool of myself, please, someone besides Detroit say so, and I will stop this arguement, but I just dont really see a way that you can argue taht Rasheed should be rated higher than Shaq
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 2, 2008 23:49:05 GMT
Shaq's decline is more noticeable and I think that's why he took a hit. I guess, if we had given it much thought, Rasheed would've taken a decrease too, but it's difficult to get it perfect when there's nearly 400 players in the league.
From today we're starting a new Player Rating Changes thread in the Staff Section in preparation for the next bunch of changes. Rasheed Wallace will be the first to get his name on it.
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Post by affect - DET on Apr 2, 2008 23:52:51 GMT
Phoenix is also scoring 20 ppg more then Detroit almost. So if detroit was scoring up at those many points Rasheed would have way more. So stats don't mean everything.
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Post by lucaswrestling - MIA on Apr 2, 2008 23:53:30 GMT
Brandon Roy is now a monster!
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 3, 2008 1:31:07 GMT
I just dont understand how though all of these people, you guys decide to put Ray Allen down
This will be my last post on this thread though... since I guess you wont change it
and LaMarcus Aldridge should increase
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Post by Utah Jazz on Apr 3, 2008 3:33:41 GMT
I dont want to be too harsh or anything, but... are you guys retarded?? gerald wallace needs to increase too... IMO he should be like a 88-89 since he is a step above guys like tayshaun prince and caron butler Please do not call myself or any of the other staff members retarded because you do not agree with something. Do u honestly think Gerald Wallace is a step above Caron Butler? Lets compare numbers... Gerald Wallace: 19.6 ppg | 6.1 rpg | 3.5 apg | 2.1 spg | 0.9 bpg | FG-45% | FT-71% | 3pt-32% | EFF - 19.33 Caron Butler: 20.7 ppg | 6.8 rpg | 4.8 apg | 2.2 spg | 0.3 bpg | FG-46% | FT-91% | 3pt-36% | EFF - 23.08 So considering Caron Butler is better than Wallace in every statistical category besides blocks how do you figure Wallace is a "step above" Caron Butler? It looks to me like they are pretty even and if anything it looks like Butler should be rated slightly higher than Wallace
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Post by od3n52 - OKC on Apr 3, 2008 3:44:33 GMT
I just dont understand how though all of these people, you guys decide to put Ray Allen down This will be my last post on this thread though... since I guess you wont change it and LaMarcus Aldridge should increase*nods* ;D
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Apr 3, 2008 13:51:57 GMT
IMO u guys are a bit too hard not putting guys in the 70s like Wilkins, Garcia, Kleiza....and Aldridge deserves a increase too, same as Outlaw
the other things seems pretty FAIR
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Apr 3, 2008 17:30:31 GMT
I have one beef....stephen jackson should be at least 80.
Here are his stats compared to Peja stojakovic's:
Jackson: 20.4 PPG 4.6 RPG 4 APG 1.29 SPG
Peja: 16.1 PPG 4.3 RPG 1.2 APG .74 SPG
Yet Peja is 81 and Jackson is 79. I know Peja plays for a better team, but its not like Jackson plays for a crappy team. The Warriors are very good and he has had to compete with Boom Dizzle and Monta for shots. I mean its not like he plays for the Pacers...
Jacksons stats: 20.4 PPG 4.6 RPG 4 APG 1.29 SPG
Mike Dunleavy's stats: 18.6 PPG 5.2 RPG 3.4 APG 1 SPG
Yet these guys have the same rating here even though Jackson has better stats and does so on a good team. The last thing is that Jackson has proven himself to be a VITAL part of the Warriors success...the team didn't start out playing well at the beginning of this season with him out and they haven't been doing well recently because he is struggling. Not to mention the fact that Jackson is better than Larry Hughes, someone who now shares his rating.
BUT....awesome job on the rest of my guys. George deserved that decrease because of his lack-luster play this year and bass is the real deal. Diaw is good but hasn't returned to the form of who was two years ago.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 3, 2008 17:58:08 GMT
I agree with Stephen Jackson, he's now an 80 also.
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Apr 3, 2008 18:18:54 GMT
18.3 ppg 8.5 rbg 2.0 apg .365 3pt% What kind of rating do you think this guy should get?
To me you took him way out. He is my 3rd guy behind guys like Bosh and Parker.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Apr 3, 2008 20:56:04 GMT
18.3 ppg 8.5 rbg 2.0 apg .365 3pt% What kind of rating do you think this guy should get? To me you took him way out. He is my 3rd guy behind guys like Bosh and Parker. Who are u talking about?
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Apr 3, 2008 21:38:26 GMT
I agree with Stephen Jackson, he's now an 80 also. Thanks! ;D
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Apr 3, 2008 21:52:21 GMT
18.3 ppg 8.5 rbg 2.0 apg .365 3pt% What kind of rating do you think this guy should get? To me you took him way out. He is my 3rd guy behind guys like Bosh and Parker. This is based off real life performances not sim performance. He's only averaging 3 pts in real life, if anything he should be even lower.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Apr 3, 2008 22:32:28 GMT
Shaq's decline is more noticeable and I think that's why he took a hit. I guess, if we had given it much thought, Rasheed would've taken a decrease too, but it's difficult to get it perfect when there's nearly 400 players in the league. From today we're starting a new Player Rating Changes thread in the Staff Section in preparation for the next bunch of changes. Rasheed Wallace will be the first to get his name on it. I think ANY player over 32 or 33 should get looked over not just Sheed and Shaq. HOW THE **** IS LOU WILLIAMS A 70, I am sorry but his ass is still behind Andre Miller as of right now, maybe next year he has a case of being a 72-75 but right now Miller is still the starter, the world is gone mad yo. same goes for Glen Davis WHAT THE HELL DID HE DO SO FAR, he is just another Anderson Varajao right now for the Celts like Powe and Scalabrine.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Apr 3, 2008 22:35:45 GMT
also how the hell Bynum has 79 instead of 82-84.
Boris freaking Diaw had a 83 after his monster season
Dwight had a nice rookie season and he had a 84.
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Apr 3, 2008 23:09:46 GMT
Bynum has played 1 good half-season. Putting him in the 80's would be absurd. You cant compare Diaw and others because those ratings were made by EA sports. We all know how well they rate......
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Apr 3, 2008 23:15:32 GMT
true, but even though it was only about 15-20 games, the Lakers were declared a dark-horse fav. for the title because of Bynum (off course this was before Gasol arrived.)
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Post by redstorm177 on Apr 4, 2008 12:07:56 GMT
I don't see why you have a problem with a 70 for Lou-Will. He's had a breakout season, here's his stats thus far:
23.1 min - 11.4 pointts - 3.2 assists - 2.0 rebounds - .97 steals
For what its worth, his teammate Willie Green's stats who is also rated a 70 in our league:
26.7 min - 12.4 points - 2.0 assists - 2.4 rebounds - .72 steals
The numbers are virtually identical and Williams would actually have slightly better averages when the 3 minutes/game differential is evened out.
I don't really see how backing up Andre Miller factors in here at all. Since Korver was traded, he is now the 6th man on a 38-37 playoff team.
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Post by nosh2 - LAL on Apr 13, 2008 0:08:43 GMT
Even though Outlaw is on my team I do feel he deserves at least a little bump. He improved a lot this year and is their go to player when they need a big shot at the end of the game.
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Post by Erik Lassen on Apr 13, 2008 17:34:16 GMT
Even though Outlaw is on my team I do feel he deserves at least a little bump. He improved a lot this year and is their go to player when they need a big shot at the end of the game.Did Brandon Roy pass away? But in all seriousness, I would not be opposed to a Travis Outlaw ratings increase.
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