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Post by jwal717 on Jun 5, 2007 15:51:57 GMT
This trade's already had two rejects, so unless Golden State is willing to include Biedrins instead of O'Bryant, it's over. I need to hear from you, Golden State, on whether that's going to happen, and whether New York agrees with the change (*if* it happens). How is including Beindris remotely better for me??? He is rated 70+ with a small contract. Kwame is 3 or 4 points better but makes $7 million more? That idea is insane and less fair than this trade. You guys have to consider the money -- that is really all that matters in this deal. Golden State trades: Patrick O'Bryant (just drafted, more upside than Kwame) 2007 2nd rounder (deep draft and my team is under .500 currently) New York trades: Kwame Brown (An athletic big man provides solid depth on the Warriors) $6 million in salary (As if Kwame isn't a big enough risk already, the added cash is a huge negative.) You have to look at it like this. This is by far a riskier trade for me, not New York. I am willing to take that risk to try and win now.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Jun 5, 2007 15:58:24 GMT
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Post by lovethegame on Jun 5, 2007 16:19:28 GMT
I like the Trade Poll format. I think its much more reliable and fair. Then the league gets to vote on a trade.
Please take it into consideration Boston. It works.
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Post by theebonicsmaster on Jun 5, 2007 16:31:33 GMT
how does the trade poll work exactly?
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Jun 5, 2007 16:34:24 GMT
the trade is posted as a poll and all gm's can vote whether to accept it or not. after the poll has been up for 24 hours, the trade is either accepted or denied based on te votes. the teams involved in the trade cannot vote.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jun 5, 2007 17:09:27 GMT
listen I have watched a lot of games Kwame was part in as a Laker.
and he ****ed up every time he got the ball because his hands are like Butter not a Rock.
the only reason why Kwame is even good is because he is a big strong guy and he can play good defense and that's it.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Jun 5, 2007 17:29:52 GMT
erick dampier had that problem last year but made huge improvement with his handling this year, and that was with the Mavs player development coaches...imagine what kwame could do with kareem and the lakers' player development staff. all it takes is one off-season to fix that, which is why dampier went from back-up center to having the most votes in the all-star voting among non-allstar centers (most votes other than those who made the all-star game)
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jun 5, 2007 19:50:19 GMT
thats all that mattered in my trade and it still got rejected...if the rules were there for my trade, they've gotta be there for yours, and the rule is that there cannot be a lopsided trade even if it is a salary dump I really don't like the way you're saying this, Memphis. - There is NO prerequisite for ANY trade in this league. Telling us that 1. we base every trade on ratings exchanged each time or that 2. salary is not a factor is the same as deciding the rules in our league by yourself, and stating them as fact, seemingly because you're unhappy your trade with Portland didn't go through.
- Ratings, salary, potential, real-life performance, real-life GM behaviour and more all factor into trades here, there is no simple rule for it and if there was it would be to our detriment.
- I accepted the Memphis/Portland trade. I didn't think it was fair or wise for Portland, but I was willing to let it go through.
- The Memphis/Portland trade was rejected because Portland pulled out of the deal.
- It was also rejected because, basically, it was an unfair trade regardless of the salary dump Portland would be getting. And you bitched and moaned all over that thread too.
- I grant you only one thing: that we are dealing with something of a similar precendent here in this trade. But we're dealing with different circumstances and the decision shouldn't be dictated to by a hazy history of past proceedings. I don't care if it offends you.
We take each trade here as it comes.
Boston accepts.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Jun 5, 2007 19:55:51 GMT
i'm just saying what i was told by the Gm's that denied my trade told me boston. if you don't like the reasoning that i was given by the people you put in charge, then don't be pissed at me. also, last time i checked once a gm accepts, they can't back out of trade, which is what portland did.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Jun 5, 2007 20:11:53 GMT
and i'll stop criticizing the trades from now on, i just thought these two trades were similar yet are getting vastly different results
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Jun 5, 2007 20:28:30 GMT
The reason that your trade got denied (Memphis) is that the guy was giving up Zach Randolph (PPG 23.6 | RPG 10.1 | BPG 0.2 ) for basically Paul Millsap. Im not saying that Millsap isnt good, but Randolph isnt the kind of player you give away on a salary dump.
Kwame Brown on the other hand is over rated and over payed. he only scored 8 ppg in 28 minutes and just had reconstructive knee surgery. He isnt the kind of guy that you want to pay 8.3 million dollars.
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Post by bigben - SEA on Jun 5, 2007 20:33:49 GMT
The reason that your trade got denied (Memphis) is that the guy was giving up Zach Randolph (PPG 23.6 | RPG 10.1 | BPG 0.2 ) for basically Paul Millsap. Im not saying that Millsap isnt good, but Randolph isnt the kind of player you give away on a salary dump. Kwame Brown on the other hand is over rated and over payed. he only scored 8 ppg in 28 minutes and just had reconstructive knee surgery. He isnt the kind of guy that you want to pay 8.3 million dollars. When you include stats, look at the team that the guys are on...milsap did good in utah, a playoff team, and while randolph did great, he did it on a crappy team. Its kinda like how mike miller averages 18-19 ppg on memphis but only has a74 rating while rip hamilton puts up 20 in detroit and gets an 82. And the 8 points in 28 minutes stuff, i know where your coming from (erick dampier lol), but he couldve gotten more than a 59 and a second round pick. they will keep him above 70 in the game just because he was a former #1 overall pick, a 70+ isn't worth a 59 and a 60-64
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Post by 76erskyd on Jun 5, 2007 20:50:46 GMT
Also, I now am a true believer that rookies are unpredictable, sure, Millasp has done great recently, but if memory serves Ryan Gomes did great for the latter portion of his rookie season, he was unheardof this year
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Post by redstorm177 on Jun 5, 2007 22:59:11 GMT
I have shopped Kwame around the league for expiring contracts since the moment I acquired him. To no surprise, the consensus amongst other GM's is that "Kwame is a nice player, but that contract is horrible".
We shouldn't judge trades based soley on rating, but rather by "trade value". How many GM's are willing to take an $8 million cap hit (O'Bryant's contract is easily tradeable) for a fringe NBA starter? As far as I know, just one (but, to be honest I haven't asked every team).
I could probably trade Kwame to several teams, but I will not be recieving what I want in return, which is cap space. I will have to settle for other players with mediocre ratings and bloated contracts.
With that said, I will be fine with whatever you guys decide.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Jun 6, 2007 0:23:54 GMT
i'll trade you erick dampier for kwame lol
if you don't get it, look at damp's contract. but seriously i would be interested in a player like brown
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on Jun 6, 2007 2:44:50 GMT
Ryan Gomes was not unhead of this year, after the break he was a consistant double double until he got hurt
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jun 6, 2007 11:19:48 GMT
Seems like this is rejected, hopefully not by some twisted rules and wisdom.
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