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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 29, 2007 14:57:16 GMT
Portland Trades: Zach Randolph (81)--$12,000,000 +4 years
Memphis Trades: Paul Milsap (72)--$625,000 +2 years Ronnie Brewer (65)--$1,595,400 +4 years 2nd Round Rookie Pick (memphis)
Memphis Salary after:$64,137,688
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 29, 2007 14:57:40 GMT
I accept
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Post by wichmae on May 29, 2007 15:03:08 GMT
Gets me younger, clears salary room, adds one of the best looking rookies in 07' allows me to have a front court of the future in Milsap and Aldridge.
I accept
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Post by 76erskyd on May 29, 2007 19:40:25 GMT
I dont think this deal is totaly fair, yes Millsap did well, but what are teh chances Live gives him a fair rating, rookies do have late season jumps(Ryan Gomes). Z-Bo is relatively young and Brewer isnt that good. Maybe if a 1st Round Pick replaced the 2nd Round Pick or Brewer was replaced by a better player
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Post by Utah Jazz on May 29, 2007 20:13:18 GMT
Yea Randolph is worth alot more than what u are getting. I reject
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 30, 2007 1:58:22 GMT
thats funny utah, you seemed to think brewer had alot of value when you traded him to me, but now you don't and milsap is one of the better rookies this year and my second rounder will probably be a top-5 in a deep draft. plus, portland is getting rid of tons of salary. If thats his perogative, let him do so, but i'm pretty sure that you guys would have allowed a trade with garnett for the same stuff (remember that trade? a little consistancy would be nice trade-checkers)
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Post by Utah Jazz on May 30, 2007 6:43:03 GMT
1st of all Memphis, I didnt get a player from u that averaged 24 ppg & 10 rpg & there were also other players involved so I dont see how that is relative to this trade & I dont understand why u would bring that up.
I do value Millsap & Brewer b/c they are both cheap & rookies with potential. Even though they have potential neither has really done anything to warrant a dramatic ratings increase for next season. I value the 2 of them, but they are not worth Zach Randolph. If u would have included a 1st rounder I might have considered this trade, b/c we both know thats what Randolph is worth. Also, do u really think your 2nd rounder is going to be top 5? That means u are going to have a top 5 1st rounder? There is no way with the Addition of Randolph that your team is 1 of the 5th worst in the league & u know it.
Do u also really think we would have allowed this trade...
Paul Millsap Ronnie Brewer 2nd rounder
for
Kevin Garnett???
If u really think that would have been accepted youre crazy. Also I do remember the Garnett trade & that trade was 1000x better than this trade. Minnesota got Ben Gordon & Nocioni who have both proven themselves for a few years already & also got Tyrus Thomas. Minny also got PJ Brown who will give them cap relief at the end of the year.
If Portland wants to trade Randolph fine, but he needs to be fairly compensated for it & hes not IMO from this trade, sorry. Memphis would u honestly make this trade if the roles were reversed?
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 30, 2007 8:03:00 GMT
This is quite a contentious trade. If I were Portland I wouldn't do the deal, personally. But I'm a big admirer of Millsap, in the playoffs for Utah he's been amazing coming off the bench and I'm willing to let this go through, although the trade's had two rejects already and it would require one of them to change their mind for starters.
Bearing in mind that this is Portland's first week and he's still on probation, I'm going to let this sit in the Submit section a little longer. If Portland passes his probation, we'll come back to this trade and review it. If he fails, then it's rejected. (Portland's probation ends on the 1st of June)
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 30, 2007 15:02:23 GMT
1st of all Memphis, I didnt get a player from u that averaged 24 ppg & 10 rpg & there were also other players involved so I dont see how that is relative to this trade & I dont understand why u would bring that up. I do value Millsap & Brewer b/c they are both cheap & rookies with potential. Even though they have potential neither has really done anything to warrant a dramatic ratings increase for next season. I value the 2 of them, but they are not worth Zach Randolph. If u would have included a 1st rounder I might have considered this trade, b/c we both know thats what Randolph is worth. If Portland wants to trade Randolph fine, but he needs to be fairly compensated for it & hes not IMO from this trade, sorry. Memphis would u honestly make this trade if the roles were reversed? Yeah, but when i traded away Mike Miller and Hakim warrick everyone said that they averaged so many points because they were on the memphis grizzlies. well, randolph averaged so many points because he was on portland....and seriously though, some of you trade checkers are as consistant as NBA refs (boston is the only steadfast one). Plus, portland is basically getting two rookies that can contribute(check my results, both brewer and milsap have been consistant contributers), a second round pick in the deepest drafts in years, and a 6th of his salary cap back (10.5 million)
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 30, 2007 15:06:32 GMT
also go back and look at our trade...you basically gave me brewer, milsap, and a second rounder for mike miller and kyle lowry, and miller and lowry would be a fair deal for randolph considering miller's increasing rating next year...
to put it in simpler terms: if a=b and b=c, then a must equal c too
aka "consistancy"
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 30, 2007 15:18:33 GMT
miller and lowry would be a fair deal for randolph considering miller's increasing rating next year... Everything else aside; Miller & Lowry for Randolph would not be a fair trade.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 30, 2007 15:22:33 GMT
i think it would be...miller averaged 18 ppg and should be around a 78 in the game next year and randolph is looking at an 81...plus, there was more involved in the trade with utah in which milsap/brewer/and his 2nd were even higher valued
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 30, 2007 18:18:29 GMT
I've receieved this PM from Portland, so this deal is officially closed.
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Post by 76erskyd on May 30, 2007 18:57:38 GMT
For teh record, RAndolph ws consistantly in the top 10 in MVP runnings, Mike Miller was not in the top 20.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 30, 2007 20:48:51 GMT
For teh record, RAndolph ws consistantly in the top 10 in MVP runnings, Mike Miller was not in the top 20. probably because it was the worst team in the league and he was overshadowed by pau, ya think? it's not about real-life awards or anything like that, it comes down to stats,salaries and ratings, and by those this trade was fair. Suggestion boston, add someone to the trade checkers that will be a little more consistant please...
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Post by Erik Lassen on May 30, 2007 21:12:31 GMT
How at all does Brewer and Millsap= Randolph? I'm glad Portland admitted that he might be wrong. If you think that is remotely fair, you need to get your head screwed on straight.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 30, 2007 22:03:49 GMT
if it worked for portland, then it worked for me....the trade-checkers in this league only follow superstar-statuses and ratings, they don't think about salaries and such. in this league, improving with player ratings is the only chance you've got cuz no one accepting trades allows for abstract thinking, only simple 81>79 crap.
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 30, 2007 23:17:47 GMT
I think that we mainly follow what we think a sensible GM would do in real life, with game-ratings factored-in. Not since the 70s have big-men been so scarce in the NBA, that's why Randolph is so highly valued by us. Plus, you've improved your team so much since joining that I doubt a second rounder will be worth anything other than some long-shot pick highly unlikely to be a Gilbert Arenas, Latrell Sprewell or *dare I say* a Paul Millsap.
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