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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 20, 2009 14:57:29 GMT
Indiana Pacers Send:
PG Jameer Nelson (78) - $7,000,000-$7,000,000-$7,000,000-$7,000,000-$7,000,000 PF Paul Millsap (77) $797,581 PF Tyrus Thomas (73) - $3,749,880-$4,743,598 PF Tim Thomas (71) - $6,049,400-$6,466,600 SF Jorge Garbajosa (72) - $4,350,000
1st round pick 2009 (IND)
Incoming Salary: $18,120,417 Outgoing Salary: $21,946,861
Los Angeles Lakers Send:
PF Carlos Boozer (87) - $11,593,817 SF Joe Alexander (74) - $1,748,800 - $1,879,900 - $2,011,100 - $2,564,150 FC Stromile Swift (73) - $3,000,000 - $3,500,000 - $4,000,000 - $4,500,000 - $5,000,000 PF DJ White (66) - $797,600 - $857,400 - $917,200 - $1,655,550 SG Nicolas Batum (63) - $980,200 - $1,053,700 - $1,127,200 - $1,854,240
Incoming Salary: $21,946,861 Outgoing Salary: $18,120,417
I accept! This trade allows me to build for the future:
- It gives me a 1st round pick that is lottery projected - A premier PG in Jameer Nelson - An amazingly talented front court with Thomas and Millsap (averaged 16 ppg and 10 rpg as a starter)
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 20, 2009 16:16:04 GMT
I accept, I don't like trading TT and Millsap but Boozer is a 20 and 10 PF, by including Nelson (and his contract) instead of Bayless my total salary for next year is $49,582,240 (and that's including $15 mill for the first year of Boozers new contract) giving me $15,417,760 to go after another FA. I also get back some good young players on inexpensive long contracts. (also Stromile Swifts contract goes as $3,000,000 - $3,500,000 - $4,000,000 - $4,500,000 - $5,000,000)
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 20, 2009 19:37:26 GMT
so... you traded Carlos Boozer for Bayless + Millsap
now you trade Nelson, Millsap, TT, Garbajosa, AND a potential top 5 pick to get Boozer back
so, basically.....
You gave: Jameer Nelson, Tyrus Thomas, Jorge Garbajosa, Top 5 pick
You got: Jerryd Bayless, Joe Alexander, Nick Batum
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Post by Erik Lassen on Apr 21, 2009 2:47:20 GMT
No. Indiana needs to pick a direction and not just trade for the sake of trading.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 21, 2009 9:22:04 GMT
Regardless of what IND has done in the past, we need to focus on this trade. From the time he initially had Boozer, the make up of his team was different, and now having Boozer back creates a new dynamic.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 21, 2009 15:47:34 GMT
Having Boozer will improve my team, my pick will most likely be a lottery pick but not top 3 and maybe not even top 5 and considering the draft class for '09 if the pick isn't in the top 3 it wont be any help to my team
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Post by greatwall - PHI on Apr 21, 2009 15:56:40 GMT
I say if Indy wants to trade for a player over 80 I'm all for it!
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 21, 2009 16:11:09 GMT
I also think Indy's getting totally ripped. Nelson is a borderline All Star with a reasonable long-term contract for someone of his talent, him plus Millsap should be enough for someone like Boozer. But adding your 1st Round pick on top of that when you're bottom in the league is pretty crazy. Indy, for the first time in a long time, has managed to put himself in a position where his future seems bright and managable. This deal does give him a Power Forward in his prime, but Indy has very little chance of re-signing him if any other team wants to come in and claim him (including win/loss reward points, Indiana is the lowest in the league with only 1 reward point, which might become minus...), and there isn't much point having a prime power forward who'll be entering his declining age by the time Indiana can put the pieces around him to make any kind of contender for the playoffs. I'm not going to give my official judgement until some other staff members have given theirs. LA Lakers made their trade with me whilst planning this one, so for me to decline it would be a bit of a kick in the balls for him. If only I knew I could get this kind of package for Boozer before moving him to LA
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 21, 2009 16:48:47 GMT
IND is turning into a team of relevancy. With Boozer, his lineup would be:
C Spencer Hawes PF Carlos Boozer SF John Salmons SG Jamaal Crawford PG Jerryd Bayless
PF Anthony Randolph SF Joe Alexander CF Stromile Swift SG Nic Batum PG Marcus Williams SF Dorrell Wright
To me, that is more than enough to contend, especially with the emergence of Salmons and Hawes. Given time and Bayless' development, they will be able to compete in their division for the present as well as years to come.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 21, 2009 19:39:02 GMT
IND is turning into a team of relevancy. With Boozer, his lineup would be: C Spencer Hawes PF Carlos Boozer SF John Salmons SG Jamaal Crawford PG Jerryd Bayless PF Anthony Randolph SF Joe Alexander CF Stromile Swift SG Nic Batum PG Marcus Williams SF Dorrell Wright To me, that is more than enough to contend, especially with the emergence of Salmons and Hawes. Given time and Bayless' development, they will be able to compete in their division for the present as well as years to come. no one cares about your opinion... obviously it is extremely bias
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 21, 2009 19:55:14 GMT
IND is turning into a team of relevancy. With Boozer, his lineup would be: C Spencer Hawes PF Carlos Boozer SF John Salmons SG Jamaal Crawford PG Jerryd Bayless PF Anthony Randolph SF Joe Alexander CF Stromile Swift SG Nic Batum PG Marcus Williams SF Dorrell Wright To me, that is more than enough to contend, especially with the emergence of Salmons and Hawes. Given time and Bayless' development, they will be able to compete in their division for the present as well as years to come. no one cares about your opinion... obviously it is extremely bias NJN, relax... I was just putting my input on the trade.
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Apr 21, 2009 21:44:46 GMT
Man, this is tough. I understand where Indy is coming from, wanting to be decent and relevant again, but this might set his team back 3 seasons. Like Boston mentioned, there is a really high probability that Boozer might not resign in Indy, and if that happens, the franchise is in serious trouble. With no pick to lean on, the roster could look like a D-League team at the beginning of next season.
Sorry guys, I have to reject this.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Apr 22, 2009 1:51:54 GMT
I'm gonna agree with the consensus here and reject this trade. Once again, it looks like Indy is trading for the sake of trading, It'd be nice to see Indy stick to one direction instead of changing directions after every few months.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 22, 2009 2:32:38 GMT
So now I guess I'm left with no one at PG, but Lou Williams. It's too bad I can't go back on that Boozer trade... If I would have known this wasn't going to go through, I probably would have just waited for Deng's stock to go up, and Westbrook to develop.
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Post by greatwall - PHI on Apr 22, 2009 15:21:23 GMT
man I could see Griffin in a Philly hat holding up #1...*sigh*
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 22, 2009 15:53:53 GMT
I know it would be hard for me to resign Boozer but I don't get how it would be "highly unlikely" when I can offer him an extension like this $15,000,000 - $16,650,000 - $17,650,000 - $18,650,000 and then be able to say to his PA I still have $15,417,760 in cap space to go out and sign one of the following players; Andrew Bynum, Mehmet Okur, Danny Granger, or Hedo Turkoglu.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Apr 22, 2009 18:03:25 GMT
I reject for all of the staff reasons stated above.
Also, Indy do you honestly feel that you have created a culture in Indy that would attract any free agents or convince a player to sign an extension with you?
Not to say you wouldn't be able to get free agents to sign with your team, but to believe any very good to elite players would sign with your team right now is just setting yourself up for disappointment IMO.
Just having the money to sign players doesn't guarantee they will sign with you.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 22, 2009 18:49:23 GMT
I know my team hasn't done well but I have some good young players and having Boozer will help my team win and I'll be able to entice Boozer to resign by having the cap to sign another player and entice that player by the fact that I have Boozer on my team.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 22, 2009 19:02:11 GMT
Plus if I get Boozer I'll win more games and get more reward points.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 23, 2009 0:34:15 GMT
What if we took out his 1st rounder and changed it to a 2nd round pick?
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 23, 2009 1:17:08 GMT
What if we took out his 1st rounder and changed it to a 2nd round pick? you just admitted that this trade is such a ripoff that you would still feel that you are getting the better deal even if you take out a top 5 pick in the draft
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Apr 23, 2009 2:38:29 GMT
I'm not admitting it's a ripoff, but I want to get this trade done because I initially made the Boozer trade to get the players in this trade. I'm willing to take the top 5 pick out because of the input of others. NJN, do you have a problem with me or something?
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 24, 2009 0:02:16 GMT
I'm not admitting it's a ripoff, but I want to get this trade done because I initially made the Boozer trade to get the players in this trade. I'm willing to take the top 5 pick out because of the input of others. NJN, do you have a problem with me or something? no i am just wreaking havoc
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Apr 24, 2009 0:19:02 GMT
I'm not admitting it's a ripoff, but I want to get this trade done because I initially made the Boozer trade to get the players in this trade. I'm willing to take the top 5 pick out because of the input of others. NJN, do you have a problem with me or something? no i am just wreaking havoc no your not wreaking havoc, your being a bitch. you have no right to talk about PROPER TRADES when you BULLSHITTED 2 deals to help your BOYS DET AND MIA who both are close friends of yours to help their chances to win a title and made your team suck intentionally in the process.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Apr 24, 2009 0:26:40 GMT
no i am just wreaking havoc no your not wreaking havoc, your being a bitch. you have no right to talk about PROPER TRADES when you BULLSHITTED 2 deals to help your BOYS DET AND MIA who both are close friends of yours to help their chances to win a title and made your team suck intentionally in the process. judging by your comment, i AM wreaking havoc
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Apr 24, 2009 0:28:59 GMT
no i am just wreaking havoc no your not wreaking havoc, your being a bitch. you have no right to talk about PROPER TRADES when you BULLSHITTED 2 deals to help your BOYS DET AND MIA who both are close friends of yours to help their chances to win a title and made your team suck intentionally in the process. baha you have it way wrong, but thats cool. NJN doesn't want one of us to win the title. He's only in it for himself. He got bored and wanted a new team so he imploded it and got cap relief + youth.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Apr 24, 2009 5:03:04 GMT
Would it look better to you guys if we made it my 2010 2nd instead of my 1st?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Apr 24, 2009 10:35:28 GMT
Would it look better to you guys if we made it my 2010 2nd instead of my 1st? A 2010 2nd instead of a 2009 1st might be okay with me.
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