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Post by Dallas Mavericks on May 22, 2007 20:50:45 GMT
I think ATL or MEM will win the lottery so expect Oden to play with Pau or expect him and Conley JR. to be reunited once again in ATL.
If he does go to ATL, I have one advice from him stay away from Mike Vick, he isn't fond of big dawgs like you Mr. Oden.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on May 22, 2007 20:54:36 GMT
If ATL wins the lottery then their pick goes to Phoenix.
I think that any team that wins the lottery will take Oden first though, with the exception of Phoenix they all need centers, and Phoenix would probably take Durant to play behind Marion.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on May 22, 2007 20:58:30 GMT
your actually wrong NJ.
PHX Buns only get ATL pick if it's 4-14, not in the top 3.
So ATL gets to keep the pick until 08 which isn't protected.
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Post by Erik Lassen on May 22, 2007 21:42:43 GMT
Boston will win. Book it. Seattle is my other choice.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 23, 2007 1:33:36 GMT
PORTLAND! what the heck! kind of cool though...
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on May 23, 2007 1:39:05 GMT
PG Jack SG Roy SF Webster (I think Randolph is history) PF Aldridge C Oden
I like the POR Trail Blazers youth.
they should be a contender in 2 years with this crop of players.
I was hoping MIN would win it, so we can finally see KG get that elusive ring he is still looking for.
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Post by lucaswrestling - MIA on May 23, 2007 1:40:48 GMT
Bulls in #9!
not good for my team!
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on May 23, 2007 1:43:23 GMT
man woulden't the Knicks fan would go irate if Bulls won.
Isiah would have his head chopped off for passing or missing a chance to draft the air to Ewing's throne in NY.
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 23, 2007 9:26:58 GMT
I was looking forward to seeing Bill Russell 2.0, oh well, it's a deep draft and who knows what trades could happen.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 23, 2007 22:23:08 GMT
dude, i know portland needs a veteran or two to compete right away, so what if they traded their pick to boston for a deal with paul pierce? or what if seattle traded their pick to replace lewis? just thinking
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 24, 2007 9:02:59 GMT
dude, i know portland needs a veteran or two to compete right away, so what if they traded their pick to boston for a deal with paul pierce? or what if seattle traded their pick to replace lewis? just thinking Yeah I was wondering that, but if I were Seattle/Portland I wouldn't do it.
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on May 24, 2007 12:32:59 GMT
Oden and Durant are too good to pass up on, the Top 2 Picks aren't going to get traded.
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Post by jerry on May 25, 2007 13:59:23 GMT
Yeah, you'd have to mortgage the farm just to make a bid on either of them. We don't know what trades are going to happen, but we can fairly safely say Portland and Seattle won't be trading their picks for anyone turning 30 this year, which is where Paul Pierce is at.
Perhaps if you threw in Al Jefferson as a sweetener, but then the C's would completely suck.
Seattle don't need to trade their pick to replace Lewis. All they have to do is select Durant and they've got an upgrade.
Z Bo is likely gone. Given his attitude and that he's had a microfracture on a knee I don't see Portland keeping him over Aldridge. And someone will take a chance on him, they guy went 23 and 10 last season and his contract isn't too bad. Looks possible they'll package him towards landing Conley, but I think Atlanta will move him elsewhere straight away. I don't think they want him and Josh rubbing off on each other.
Rashard is likely gone too, but I can see Seattle doing a sign and trade, which should help him get good money, and the franchise something back.
Jerry
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 25, 2007 14:27:34 GMT
yeah, i definately think they would offer more than pierce, but a 19 year old 7'0" that is going to be dominating the league in a couple of years would be worth it
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on May 25, 2007 16:54:42 GMT
It would definitely be worth it, but the Blazers won't take it. I think you could offer Kobe and Odom for that 1st and they still would decline it. I think Z-Bo is as good as gone, he had a great season, but they got the number one pick, which is Oden, so they have to move one of the bigs, and I know Aldridge isn't going anywhere.
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Post by jerry on May 25, 2007 17:19:08 GMT
agreed
yeah, if I'm Portland I'm turning LA down for Kobe and Lamar, cos they've already peaked. You can see in Kobe's addresses to the media that he knows he's only got another three or four years left before he starts his decline, whereas Oden has it all in front of him. Why trade for a few good seasons now when you could get a decades worth from the Groden.
J
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on May 25, 2007 17:21:32 GMT
yeah, more than a decade actually, like a decade and a half, or two if he pulls a dikembe
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on May 25, 2007 18:02:34 GMT
OMG! You guys wouldn't trade KOBE and Odom for Oden? That is ridiculous. Kobe Bryant is the best player in the game and Oden has yet to prove anything in the NBA. I would take Kobe any day over Oden.
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Post by bamms on May 26, 2007 4:57:17 GMT
Man think about it about it we could have another Kwame Brown Here i think Durant is way more NBA Ready than Oden is but who knows maybe that trade would go through after one season but i dont think that they would trade Oden right after the draft cause they could win or thye could lose 50/50 u know what i mean?...
And with the coment on 2 years contender for portland dont forget about Travis outlaw as another young player who will do something i think we will see a young Detroit team in a couple of years + a superstar in Oden (if he doesnt bitch out!)
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Post by Erik Lassen on May 26, 2007 16:11:23 GMT
Oden is more NBA ready then Durant. His size will just allow for him to be a force from the get go. Durant is going to have to score all his points in transition, and shooting jumpshots for a few years, just because he won't be able to finish at will like he did in college. Even in college he was primarily a jump shooter (and a sick one at that). But you always take the sure fire bigman, over the star wing, just because big guys win Championships.
Last 10 Champions:
(2006) Miami Heat- Shaq Daddy (you can say Wade, but as we saw this year, they were out of the playoffs when Shaw was out, so basically he makes it way easier for Wade)
(2005) San Antonio Spurs- Tim Duncan (Best player in the league over the last decade, will win his 4th championship in a few weeks)
(2004) Detroit Pistons- (Way different then all the other ones, but they weren't contenders before they traded for Rasheed, so I guess you could say he was the difference maker)
(2003) San Antonio Spurs- (Two letters..... TD)
(2002) Los Angeles Lakers- (Shaq)
(2001) Los Angeles Lakers- (Shaq)
(2000) Los Angeles Lakers- (Shaq)
(1999) San Antonio Spurs- (Duncan and Robinson)
(1998) Chicago Bulls- (MJ is the exception to every rule)
(1997) Chicago Bulls- (MJ is god)
So basically 7 out of the last 9 championships were won by big men. I'm not counting Detroit in this just because they are so different, and really don't have a dominant player)
Farther back:
(1996) Chicago Bulls- MJ again
(1995) Houston Rockets- Hakeem
(1994) Houston Rockets- Hakeem (so basically, without MJ (retired for 2 years) a big man dominated the league.... suprise suprise)
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Post by jerry on May 27, 2007 10:12:03 GMT
I agree with Chicago entirely. Oden is a fast, athletic 280lb monster. He isn't just a plodder like ie. Eddie Curry, this guy is a freak, a combination of speed and power that make only Dwight and Shaq valid comparisons. Plus he has more skills, better FT% (left handed) and a higher IQ than either. The guys is going to dominate, albeit not for another year or two.
Is Kobe the better player? Yes, no argument, but he's had eight more years to hone his game. Wich means he has a decade less to give you than Oden, given Oden is a C. Right now Chris Webber is a better player than Andrew Bynum, but who'd not take Bynum over C-Webb in a heartbeat? The Lakers wouldn't even give up Bynum for Kidd, and Oden will eat Bynum alive, he's far more athletic and explosive. I like Bynum, but he's closer to Eddie Curry than Shaq.
Does Kobe has at most 5 years left at this level left in the tank. And he plays on the wing anyhow. Pretty easy to find a quality wing player, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Redd, Vince, RJ, J-Rich, Iggy or Maggete can give you 20, 4 and 4 or better. And they are the ones potentially available, then there are guys like Wade and LeBron.
In comparison the top ten C's would include guys like Curry, an ageing Shaq, Ilgauskus Dalembert and some guys who are really PFs. Apples and oranges.
Lastly there is no proof that sticking Kobe in a better team would produce anything anyhow. He was a greedy ballhog even with Shaq, the most dominant centre of all time, in his prime, playing in LA, carrying them to championships. Shaq got another one in Miami, took Orlando to the finals before going to LA, with teams hardly better than LA's current squad. Kobe has gotten out of the first round once. I agree he's the best player in the world right now. But the intent is to win championships, not scoring titles.
J
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Post by Boston Celtics on May 27, 2007 10:27:08 GMT
Damn Jerry, you speak like a prophet. Don't go starting any religions cos they'd take off and rule the planet! edit: that being said, I agree with everything you wrote
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