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Post by jwal717 on Aug 22, 2007 14:09:49 GMT
Minnesota Trades: David Harrison --$739,080-$1,334,039 Mike Bibby --$12,500,000--$13,500,000--$14,500,000 ~ $13.7 million total
Golden State Trades: Antoine Walker --$7,773,500 --- $8,547,000 --- $9,320,500 --- $10,094,000 --- $10,867,500 Luke Ridnour -- $2,425,878 --- $6,500,000 --- $6,500,000 --- $6,500,000 Zarko Cabarkapa -- $2,157,096 GS 2008 2nd round pick ~$12.2 million total
Trade works under the 125% rule.
As GM of GS, I accept this trade and welcome Mike Bibby to the Warriors!
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 22, 2007 14:52:56 GMT
Those salaries aren't exaclty added up correctly, but it would still work out under the 125% rule if they were.
I don't think this deal is too bad for either team. If Minnesota can confirm he realizes he's taking on Antoine Walker's salary, then I'm ok with it and will accept.
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Post by gocats55 on Aug 22, 2007 17:17:24 GMT
horrible deal in my opinion minnesota only has bibby and shaq if they give up bibby they need future in return they dont get that or even a lottery pick because they have none. look this trade will screw minnesota up and the gm will get disinterested and then the next guy will have crap to work with
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 22, 2007 18:16:53 GMT
horrible deal in my opinion minnesota only has bibby and shaq if they give up bibby they need future in return they dont get that or even a lottery pick because they have none. look this trade will screw minnesota up and the gm will get disinterested and then the next guy will have crap to work with Hmm that's true, without Bibby Minnesota will be, and only will be, Shaq on his own. And Shaq's got one maybe two good years left in him...
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Post by jwal717 on Aug 22, 2007 19:18:35 GMT
Bibby is a free agent at the end of the year anyways. He might as well get something for him now.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 22, 2007 23:13:04 GMT
Well...i don't think this is such a horrible trade Mike Bibby has been playing well recently, but Luke Ridnour isn't that bad, he is ok, and with Antoine Walker on my team, i would have a better SF, and he is on the bench in Golden State's team, so in my team he would be more used, and Cabarkapa and the second round pick's would be really good for my team, i don't have a Injury reserve player, with one more guy playing for me, i would have more players. I will accept the trade, Luke Ridnour and Antoine Walker will help the t-wolves a lot
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Post by jerry on Aug 23, 2007 1:22:47 GMT
I'm declining to vote on this trade until the teams involved indicate which contracts have team options and when. I could check myself but that's beside the point.
J
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Post by Erik Lassen on Aug 23, 2007 2:43:16 GMT
No chance I accpet that.
Does Minnesota know that Walker is terrible?
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 23, 2007 3:33:34 GMT
Walker isn't terrible, he was champion with Miami heat like 2 years ago =P look i think this trade is ok for me....
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 23, 2007 9:36:34 GMT
I'm declining to vote on this trade until the teams involved indicate which contracts have team options and when. I could check myself but that's beside the point. J Philly is right, neither GSW or MIN have team options as part of their salary threads. This trade wont go through until that's updated - check the thread in the General Discussion if you need a reference for salaries guys.
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Post by jwal717 on Aug 23, 2007 14:05:54 GMT
I was told by Philly to remove all the player options. His post is still in my salary thread.
My salary thread still has all team options but none of the players I will be trading away have options to worry about.
Bibby has a player option at the end of the year, which he picked up in real life with the Kings.
Other than Bibby no players in this trade have options to consider.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 23, 2007 14:43:17 GMT
Thats right
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Post by Erik Lassen on Aug 23, 2007 18:50:16 GMT
Just cause Walker won a championship, it doesn't mean he's good. Michael Doleac also won a championship that year...
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 23, 2007 21:24:10 GMT
but why do you think he is terrible? his rating is ok and he plays well...
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Post by jerry on Aug 24, 2007 1:51:36 GMT
I was told by Philly to remove all the player options. His post is still in my salary thread. My salary thread still has all team options but none of the players I will be trading away have options to worry about. Bibby has a player option at the end of the year, which he picked up in real life with the Kings. Other than Bibby no players in this trade have options to consider. Wrong. There is a team option that needs to be included, and a qualifying offer that needs to be removed. This trade proposal, and by default both your salary threads, need correcting. Check your salaries here. dynastyfive.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1187514246Fix the mistakes, get the trade proposal and both of your salary threads correct, and then we'll talk. J
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Post by Erik Lassen on Aug 24, 2007 2:00:27 GMT
but why do you think he is terrible? his rating is ok and he plays well... Don't forget that we are using 08 soon. His rating will go down quite a bit, and his contract is terrible.
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Post by jerry on Aug 24, 2007 2:06:07 GMT
Walker's ratings are decent in this year's game cos he was the starting SF of the championship Heat, and still had game. In the season just gone he totally sucked, and this will be reflected in his rankings next season. So after this season he's most likely a scrub who laughs at you from the bench while eating 15% of your cap until his contract expires. You should be getting paid a little more handsomely for sending him Bibby and taking Walker off the Warriors hands than Luke friggin' Ridnour.
J
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Post by jerry on Aug 24, 2007 2:09:31 GMT
Bibby is a free agent at the end of the year anyways. He might as well get something for him now. Bibby isn't a free agent at the end of this year. He has another 2 guaranteed seasons left on his deal. Check the salaries, then you won't be working from a position of ignorance when trading your assets. J
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Post by Erik Lassen on Aug 24, 2007 15:50:50 GMT
Thank you Phili. No chance the current deal on the table should go through.
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Post by jwal717 on Aug 24, 2007 18:35:36 GMT
What is the problem here? Why is this trade getting denied?
Because Bibby's option status? This is from the Cleveland newspaper:
"As far as Bibby's salary goes, according to the article in today's Sacramento Bee, Bibby "will earn $13.5 million this season. Bibby has a player option for the 2008-09 season, but he would be paid $14.5 million if he finishes out his contract." In other words, it's a big contract, but short. Plus, Bibby's only 29 years old, so it's conceivable that he still has at least 3 to 4 good years left, if not more. Regardless, the most the Cavaliers would be tied to him would be through 2008-09, which isn't bad."
Denied because you think it's unfair?
For one - he offered me this deal. Secondly, Bibby is going to decline next season. He is overpaid as is. Antoine Walker is a bad salary - true - but Bibby is worse next year. I don't mind that because I think Bibby along with Kobe and the gang can win it all now.
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Post by Erik Lassen on Aug 24, 2007 19:03:16 GMT
That's exactly why you would want it to go through. You win this trade by a landslide. I would have been in the same position if my trade with Miami for Brandon Roy would have went through. You have to be understanding though, because we can't just allow a trade because both sides agree. We need to have some parity to keep the league interesting. Otherwise the smarter GM's.... Golden State being one of them Would just dominate the league for 25 seasons. We can't just let some of the more experienced GMs to take advantage of guys who might not always know what's best.
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Post by redstorm177 on Aug 24, 2007 19:23:25 GMT
Just a comment:
At this point, Antoine Walker probably has negative trade value, which is a big reason why this trade is lopsided. If the salaries that were posted in this thread are correct, Walker has 4 MORE YEARS after this one that average about $10 million per year. As strange as is seems, removing Walker from the trade would probably make it more even. (not saying the trade would work with the cap rules though)
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Aug 24, 2007 22:21:07 GMT
well...i quit^^ you can reject it...
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Post by jerry on Aug 25, 2007 3:01:50 GMT
New York and Chicago are on the money,
GSW, Bibby's contract may be more than Walkers, but the difference is Bibby, while declining, hasn't plummeted like Walker. Ridnour too declined last year, for what it's worth. Also, we go off hoopshype, not Cleveland newspapers, Bibby's contract is 3 years guaranteed for D5 purposes, Minny wouldn't have lost Bibby for nothing.
I'm generally lassaiz faire about the trades, but this one is way too imbalanced. Plus it's been shown the Minny GM may have been trading Bibby on the belief he'd be losing him in the offseason for nothing, which is also false. Lastly the teams still haven't even posted the friggin correct salary/contract details.
Minny, you got a trade unanimously rejected by the committee because you were getting SCREWED. If you're quitting just for that after three weeks here then be careful the door doesn't slam you on the ass on the way out.
J
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Post by Erik Lassen on Aug 25, 2007 3:18:14 GMT
Zing.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 25, 2007 12:54:57 GMT
There's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said. This trade is rejected.
I apologize if my initial acceptance gave the deal false hope, I didn't think enough about it and just saw the surface of the deal.
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