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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Nov 19, 2007 23:35:03 GMT
Horford was the third pick in the very draft and is already a 79. Plus walton is a very good emerging player who should be around 75 this year. And dampier was just to balance the salaries a little more, even though you would still be getting a couple million in relief.
Lastly, Ray Allen was basically traded for the number 5 pick in real life and no one thought that was too excessive, so i don't know why you think the 3rd best player, an emerging player, and serviceable big man isn't enough for a guy who doesn't always play very well in these sim leagues. If it wasn't for Steve Nash, Marion would have a hard time even being considered for the All-Star game.
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Nov 19, 2007 23:41:47 GMT
Ray Allen is an aging one trick pony, thats why he was traded for the 5th pick. Marion does it all. He can be a top 10 scorer as well as a top defender.
Ray Allen is a bum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terrible comparison
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Nov 20, 2007 15:00:48 GMT
ray allen a bum? you are an idiot. plus if marion cant be a top 10 scorer in the suns system and with nash dishing him the ball, then he will never be able to do it. and you think hes better than one of the best three point shooters ever?
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Post by Erik Lassen on Nov 20, 2007 15:05:57 GMT
I don't consider that a low ball to be honest. But I'm the biggest Marion hater ever, so that might be a bit biased.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Nov 20, 2007 16:33:57 GMT
Horford was the third pick in the very draft and is already a 79. Plus walton is a very good emerging player who should be around 75 this year. And dampier was just to balance the salaries a little more, even though you would still be getting a couple million in relief. Lastly, Ray Allen was basically traded for the number 5 pick in real life and no one thought that was too excessive, so i don't know why you think the 3rd best player, an emerging player, and serviceable big man isn't enough for a guy who doesn't always play very well in these sim leagues. If it wasn't for Steve Nash, Marion would have a hard time even being considered for the All-Star game. MEM, Marion was a 20 and 10 guy before STEVE CRASH came to the Suns. he did it with kidd and marbury. as for Ray Allen, he is overrated, if he was so good then why on earth MIL dumped him for some guy from OSU in 2nd rd. of 2000 draft by the name of Micheal Redd. I'll tell you why, because Redd is better then Allen.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 20, 2007 17:37:21 GMT
Jason Kidd
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Jamaal Tinsley Boris Diaw fillers
Sorry Atlanta, just had to post that
And Ray Allen isnt overrated, he put up 25 ppg last year, and I'm sure everyone in this league would like to have him on their team. Maybe he only excels in one thing, but a lot of teams dont need him to do anything else.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Nov 20, 2007 18:37:14 GMT
Horford was the third pick in the very draft and is already a 79. Plus walton is a very good emerging player who should be around 75 this year. And dampier was just to balance the salaries a little more, even though you would still be getting a couple million in relief. Lastly, Ray Allen was basically traded for the number 5 pick in real life and no one thought that was too excessive, so i don't know why you think the 3rd best player, an emerging player, and serviceable big man isn't enough for a guy who doesn't always play very well in these sim leagues. If it wasn't for Steve Nash, Marion would have a hard time even being considered for the All-Star game. MEM, Marion was a 20 and 10 guy before STEVE CRASH came to the Suns. he did it with kidd and marbury. as for Ray Allen, he is overrated, if he was so good then why on earth MIL dumped him for some guy from OSU in 2nd rd. of 2000 draft by the name of Micheal Redd. I'll tell you why, because Redd is better then Allen. Milwaukee also got Gary Payton & Desmond Mason so Id hardly call that a dump. I dont know how people can call Ray Allen overrated, but then say Michael Redd is great. They are almost identical players
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Post by redstorm177 on Nov 20, 2007 20:00:35 GMT
I wouldn't consider the Marion-Horford deal a "low-ball" and to be honest, if Dampier's salary wasn't included, I would consider accepting that. Marion's rating in this league is way too high (94 I think) compared to legit franchise players.
As for the J-Kidd deal, that wouldn't be too bad if Diaw wasn't coming off an awful year. Sooner or later, Kidd is going to start slowing down and his value is going to drastically diminish. Given his age, I don't think a package of two younger players is anything to deem "low-ball" worthy. But in this case, Diaw's value has absolutely plummetted since he signed that huge contract, and his production has dropped considerably. I guess it would all depend on the "fillers" involved. A first round pick could be the difference in balancing out the trade IMO.
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Nov 20, 2007 22:31:09 GMT
If you are starting a franchise, who do you take in their prime?
Ray Allen or Shawn Marion?
IMO, Its not even close. Its Marion
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Nov 21, 2007 0:53:46 GMT
i would take allen, because he can create his own shots and be the focal point of an offense. Marion can score, but can't be the focal point of an offense. Like he says, no plays for the suns are designed for him. There's a reason for that...
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Post by Erik Lassen on Nov 21, 2007 14:02:16 GMT
If Allen and Marion were the same age.... Allen easily.
But I would take Marion at the moment because he has a higher trade value.
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Post by noskyy - HOU on Nov 23, 2007 5:54:41 GMT
Oh jeez. I get them every day for T Mac and Yao Ming.
Let me pull some up:
J-Rich (82) Miller (79) Brown (66) 2nd round
for
Yao (85) Bargnani (74)
Rudy Gay Jared Jeffries Antoine Walker Jamal Crawford 08 1st rnd pick 4 T-mac (filler)
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 23, 2007 13:16:32 GMT
J-Rich (82) Miller (79) Brown (66) 2nd round
for
Yao (85) Bargnani (74)
its basically Miler (79) for Bargnani (74), J-Rich (82)Brown (66) 2nd rounder for Yao...
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Post by redstorm177 on Nov 23, 2007 14:11:06 GMT
J-Rich (82) Miller (79) Brown (66) 2nd round for Yao (85) Bargnani (74) its basically Miler (79) for Bargnani (74), J-Rich (82)Brown (66) 2nd rounder for Yao... Good thing you rejected that low-ball Minny. I can offer you much more than a top-3 rookie and the best center in the league for Brad Miller.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 23, 2007 14:23:50 GMT
the top center in your opinion...even Old Shaq is better
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Nov 23, 2007 14:25:43 GMT
lol...yao is easily better than old Shaq. If this league's ratings reflect the real NBA correctly, Ming will be a good 6-7 points higher than Shaq, if not more. Plus Brad Miller sucks.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 23, 2007 14:39:07 GMT
ok Brad Miller sucks but Shaq is the most dominating guy ever...a guy who got blocked and at the same time slapped in the face by Nate Robinson is not the best center...man Yao Ming is DUMB...he is the tallest in the league but want to be the shooter from the team...if the guy work out a little bit he would be better....Amare Stoudemire is better than him...too bad that he always do a cirurgy before the season and Dwight Howard is way better than Yao too...
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Post by redstorm177 on Nov 23, 2007 14:57:57 GMT
While I agree Amare is better than Yao, I still wouldn't qualify him as a "true center". His natural position, like Howard is at power forward. I would still take Yao over Howard, who's offense relies soley on his athletic ability, like the pre-injury Amare. Amare expanded his offensive game and is now an absolute nightmare on both ends of the court.
And Yao has been better than Shaq for the last 2 or 3 years...especially this current season.
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Post by Erik Lassen on Nov 23, 2007 16:25:58 GMT
Boozer>Yao, Dwight, and Amare.
Boozer is a PF though.
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Post by ryanhall1991 - MEM on Nov 23, 2007 19:34:46 GMT
I think Yao is better than Amare, for now. Amare is still progressing and one day, when he's completely healthy, he will be unstoppable. But until then, Yao's defense and jump-shot give him a slight advantage. Plus, with his size, i would rather have him at center than Amare. However, i would rather have Amare as my PF than Yao as my C. If Amare played with a team other than the small-sized suns, he would probably be primarily a PF.
And when Yao got blocked by Nate, his feet were still planted and his arms weren't fully extended so Nate Robinson only had to jump about 9 feet to block it, shorter than he would has to jump for a dunk. It was also a foul. People make it out to be like the Ben Wallace block on Shaq two playoffs ago (most overpowering block EVER), but it wasn't THAT impressive.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 23, 2007 20:37:49 GMT
Well the fact that Yao got "almost" blocked by Nate is showing that he is Dumb...if I had to choose between Shaq and Yao to play on my team I would definetely choose Shaq...he is way more efficient and dominating...and Howard is playing center this season (I think)
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Post by Boston Celtics on Nov 25, 2007 9:37:11 GMT
I'd put the big-men in this order: Dwight Howard Amare Stoudemire Yao Ming Carlos Boozer Shaquille O'Neal
There's no doubt Shaq was was joint first place for most dominant player ever in his prime, along with Jordan and Wilt. But nowadays he'll be lucky to make the All Star Game. If we (the staff) overlook a ratings dip for Shaq this season, remind us about it!
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Nov 25, 2007 15:02:50 GMT
1. Yao Ming 2. Carlos Boozer 3. Dwight Howard 4. Amare Staudomire 5. Shaq
Yao and Boozer can score in any type of offense. They are going to get theirs night end and night out. Dwight Howard has shown that he can be more of a conventional big man, but he still relies a lot on 2nd chances to score. If Amare gets traded and shows he can score on another team, then he goes up to number 2. Shaq is old.
Might be overrating Boozer, but
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 28, 2007 2:00:47 GMT
1. Yao 2. DHoward 3. Amare
I put Amare third because he's not as good on D as the other two, draws waay too much fouls.
Howard's the best rebounder and the most efficient scorer of the group. He's the best at drawing fouls. He's been the best shot-blocker, too, and is in general at least second in the defensive category.
Yao is a more polished, controlled scoring force than Dwight but I'm comfortable with Howard at #1 here. Amare is a great offensive player but keep in mind he has Nash setting up for him.
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Post by jwal717 on Nov 28, 2007 2:18:49 GMT
We rating the NBA big men???
I am partial to younger players who are already studs and going to get that much better so my top-10 goes like this:
1. Dwight Howard (If I was creating a team from scratch, a real team, I would probably take him first, over LeBron, Kobe and Wade.) 2. Tim Duncan 3. Amare Stoudamire 4. Elton Brand 5. Kevin Garnett (Old, but one of the best ever and can still dominate.) 6. Carlos Boozer 7. Yao Ming (He is almost too big and too slow for the new NBA style, but he is still one of the best.) 8. Al Jefferson 9. David West 10. Sean Williams (I know you're going to call me crazy for this one, but I think that of all the supposed beasts in this past draft, Sean Williams is going to be one of the best of the class. He has all the tools and was a complete monster in college before hitting the pipe. I wish the Bulls had taken him in real life, he would perfect on that team.)
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Nov 28, 2007 2:19:54 GMT
where is bosh on your list GS?
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Post by jwal717 on Nov 28, 2007 2:21:05 GMT
Shit. I knew I would forget someone. Get rid of West, he's only on there cause he was looking at me from my signature
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 28, 2007 3:11:07 GMT
My Top 10
1. Duncan 2. Dirk 3. KG 4. Yao 5. Howard 6. Brand 7. Bosh 8. Amare 9. Boozer 10. Oden
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Nov 28, 2007 4:37:06 GMT
Joe Johnson Al Jefferson LaMarcus Aldridge
for
Kobe Bryant Kelenna Azubuike
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 28, 2007 11:44:48 GMT
We rating the NBA big men??? I am partial to younger players who are already studs and going to get that much better so my top-10 goes like this: 1. Dwight Howard (If I was creating a team from scratch, a real team, I would probably take him first, over LeBron, Kobe and Wade.) 2. Tim Duncan 3. Amare Stoudamire 4. Elton Brand 5. Kevin Garnett (Old, but one of the best ever and can still dominate.) 6. Carlos Boozer 7. Yao Ming (He is almost too big and too slow for the new NBA style, but he is still one of the best.) 8. Al Jefferson 9. David West 10. Sean Williams (I know you're going to call me crazy for this one, but I think that of all the supposed beasts in this past draft, Sean Williams is going to be one of the best of the class. He has all the tools and was a complete monster in college before hitting the pipe. I wish the Bulls had taken him in real life, he would perfect on that team.) your list is the same as mine...except the last 3 cuz shaq would definetely be there
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