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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Feb 1, 2009 5:40:44 GMT
You have to look at prior history, though. You cant all of a sudden drop a player 8 points because hes had a bad few years. You have to go down gradually. NBA Live gives these players their ratings for a reason.
AK was a 90, Marion was a 94, Sheed was a 87 etc.. in the initial game and I think we have done a good job gradually reducing their ratings.
Thats why I would strongly disagree with anything lower than an 81 for Jermaine O'Neal.
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Post by ragas2134 - LAC on Feb 3, 2009 20:07:03 GMT
How does Rudy Fernandez get a 75 and Nate Robinson get a 72? The man love with this guy has to stop. I like him as much as the next guy, but he isnt putting up that good of numbers. Either Fernandez has to come down or Nate has to go up.
Fernandez - 10.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.2 apg, 15.78 PER
Robinson - 15.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 17.86 PER
I would like a rational explanation behind this. Not to mention Fernandez is a rookie while Nate has been improving his play the last 3 seasons. Both are 6th men.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Feb 3, 2009 21:10:30 GMT
Well, just to state my case about Ben Wallace going from 79-74
He is averaging like 3 ppg and 8 rpg for me... i dont really think this is a matter of overall rating... why would you decrease him when he is doing worse in the league than in real life?
Jason Kidd- 88-83
Uhhh I dont really understand what basis this is on... I think the committee might be confusing age and skill or something. Kidd is getting 9 ppg, 8.3 apg, 2.2 spg, and 6.4 rpg in real life... those are great numbers. Yea, they are down by a few points from previous years, but you have to take into consideration that he is playing on a better team than previous years. If we want to look solely at stats and not the guys surrounding a player, then Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett should all be decreased to about 85.
K-Mart 83-80... I can understand this based on numbers alone, but I feel like he is DEFINATELY a better player than Rasheed Wallace, and should in no circumstanes be rated lower than what you put Sheed at.
Also, I think Aldridge should be higher than a 79 and Kobe should increase to 99
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 3, 2009 21:19:13 GMT
Just as a FYI. Rajon Rondo is getting 11ppg, 8.1apg, 2.1 spg and 5rpg for the Champs and I'm stopping short at a 78 for him. K-Mart 83-80... I can understand this based on numbers alone, but I feel like he is DEFINATELY a better player than Rasheed Wallace, and should in no circumstanes be rated lower than what you put Sheed at. Rasheed comes down to an 81 from an 87. We all knew he was overrated, but I still like to pay caution when decreasing by so much. I agree that KMart is better, that will probably be reflected by the next rating changes. I think Kobe should be a 96 or 97 at most. Lebron should be a 99 because of his superior physicality. I agree with Aldridge, but, like Rasheed, if he keeps it up then eventually he will be higher.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Feb 3, 2009 21:23:27 GMT
Rondo has done that 1 season, Kidd has done it 17
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Feb 3, 2009 21:26:45 GMT
what superiority skills, driving that basket that's it.
I think the ONLY 2 players that should deserve a 99 that are ACTIVE RIGHT NOW is Kobe and Tim Duncan.
Kobe is still a better defender and jump shooter then him.
but Kobe-Lebron topic is a topic that can be discussed every day of our lives.
But I don't get why Duncan never gets rated higher then a 92 or 93.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Feb 3, 2009 21:28:33 GMT
^^^ this guy is a huge lakers fan though, so biased naturally
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Feb 3, 2009 21:30:30 GMT
if that was the case MIA I would have asked ratings increased for Odom and Gasol and Bynum and Ariza.
I only asked ratings increase on 2 players, Bynum and Ariza, I think Odom is overrated, and Gasol is fine where he is (even though B. Diaw got a 83 for his okay ratings.)
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 3, 2009 21:32:54 GMT
How does Rudy Fernandez get a 75 and Nate Robinson get a 72? The man love with this guy has to stop. I like him as much as the next guy, but he isnt putting up that good of numbers. Either Fernandez has to come down or Nate has to go up. Fernandez - 10.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.2 apg, 15.78 PER Robinson - 15.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 17.86 PER I would like a rational explanation behind this. Not to mention Fernandez is a rookie while Nate has been improving his play the last 3 seasons. Both are 6th men. This is perhaps a good point you're making, Clips. The question is, does Fernandez decrease or Robinson increase? Or a little bit of both perhaps? I'm leaning towards Robinson increasing, I think I left him down a bit because he's physically shorter than everyone else and it limits him, although not statistically. Rudy does also play for a stronger team and there's shades of Ginobili about his play, I think that factors into the decision too. Rondo has done that 1 season, Kidd has done it 17 Yea so I'm stopping short at 78
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Feb 3, 2009 21:34:51 GMT
^^^ this guy is a huge lakers fan though, so biased naturally BTW your obviously biased for Stuckey (your Pistons fan) and I don't get why your defending NJ. Kidd fine you can give him a pass, B-Wallace has done nothing so he deserves to lose his ratings, and K-Mart has done nothing as well, DEN is only playing well because of Billups, Melo, and the re-emergence of Nene. you know your buddy is a ANNUAL Pistons hater and HATES R. Wallace.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Feb 3, 2009 21:41:52 GMT
FYI New Jersey is taking this rating decrease personally and believes the league is out to get him.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Feb 3, 2009 21:43:44 GMT
like I said, I am cool with Kidd (sometimes players have Anamolies.)
but B. Wallace and K-Mart, K-Mart's been injury prone till this year
and B. Wallace play has been declining I am not saying drop him to a 68, but more like 76 or 77.
K-Mart is what a 83, I am saying more like 80 or 81 instead.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Feb 3, 2009 21:47:08 GMT
I agree with the ratings decreases for those players every bit. I'm not out to get NJ, just from a spectator, those seem fitting. Kidd 83-84 fits right in with Nash as an 84 and Billups 85.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 3, 2009 21:51:55 GMT
FYI New Jersey is taking this rating decrease personally and believes the league is out to get him. New Jersey are the league's undisputed best team at the moment, so it's inevitable he gets more attention paid to him. And I think the reason why the Nets have become the best team is because he's traded for players for their straight-up ratings, rather than their long term ratings, like many other GMs are doing. Heat & NetsTrading away a bunch of players, including the up and coming Jason Maxiell, for Grant Hill. WTF? First off, I reject. Secondly, I'd like to hear from New Jersey, why he's making this trade. There's a lot of good, serviceable players he's trading away with tiny, tiny contracts that he wont find elsewhere - I'd be very surprised if he finds them this Off Season. And why would you want to give away Maxiell too? Mavericks & NetsTrading away Tyson Chandler and getting Andrei Kirilenko, who was later included in a deal for Tayshaun, Ben Wallace etc. Tyson should be getting a ratings boost sometime soon after the way he and his team have performed this year in real life, if New Jerysey's aware of that - and the fact that this trade wont go through for another 8 weeks - then I accept.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Feb 3, 2009 23:20:29 GMT
Ok, I am going to make an argument for my players and try not to be bias, but I will admit that Jason Kidd is my favorite player
Ben Wallace: 79-74 ok, I understand, but I would like to know what you are going to take away from his stats to do that, seeing that he is averaging next to nothing for me
Kenyon Martin: 83-80 this one is fine too, I feel it is a bit unnecessary, but I wont make a huge argument over it because his stats don't show
Jason Kidd: 88-83 I know this isn't a huge loss but I really do feel that Jason Kidd is better than an 83. He is a great rebounder, averaging more than a lot of forwards. His passing skills are already know. But, I would like to take a look at his defense. J-Kidd consistently is near the top of the league in steals per game, and can guard nearly everyone on the court at times. He is a great help defender, and has a presence to him on both the offensive and defensive end of the court. I highly encourage you to review his rating change, because I really am not sure if an 83 is a fair assessment of Kidd
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Feb 3, 2009 23:45:52 GMT
How does Rudy Fernandez get a 75 and Nate Robinson get a 72? The man love with this guy has to stop. I like him as much as the next guy, but he isnt putting up that good of numbers. Either Fernandez has to come down or Nate has to go up. Fernandez - 10.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.2 apg, 15.78 PER Robinson - 15.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 17.86 PER I would like a rational explanation behind this. Not to mention Fernandez is a rookie while Nate has been improving his play the last 3 seasons. Both are 6th men. I actually agree with LAC (even though you threw me under the bus) I mean COME ON M. Gasol and R. Fernandez having SIMILAR ratings to N. Robinson AND Raymond Felton. and WHAT ABOUT J-CRAWFORD, he should get a ratings boost as well as J. Green. you can't just let ROOKIES get 70 plus ratings while there are VETERAN PLAYERS THAT DESERVE just as good a rating as ROOKIES if not better.
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Feb 4, 2009 1:22:22 GMT
when do these changes take effect?? Please don't say this season...I think it would grossly unfair to start the season and then 6 games into the season change the players ratings. If anything it should wait until the end ot the current season. Some of the changes coule make or break a team.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Feb 4, 2009 1:41:41 GMT
when do these changes take effect?? Please don't say this season...I think it would grossly unfair to start the season and then 6 games into the season change the players ratings. If anything it should wait until the end ot the current season. Some of the changes coule make or break a team. I disagree, if anything you change them now, towards the beginning of the season, versus later. How every often this league has updates should remain the same.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Feb 4, 2009 1:46:53 GMT
Ok, I am going to make an argument for my players and try not to be bias, but I will admit that Jason Kidd is my favorite player Ben Wallace: 79-74 ok, I understand, but I would like to know what you are going to take away from his stats to do that, seeing that he is averaging next to nothing for me Kenyon Martin: 83-80 this one is fine too, I feel it is a bit unnecessary, but I wont make a huge argument over it because his stats don't show Jason Kidd: 88-83 I know this isn't a huge loss but I really do feel that Jason Kidd is better than an 83. He is a great rebounder, averaging more than a lot of forwards. His passing skills are already know. But, I would like to take a look at his defense. J-Kidd consistently is near the top of the league in steals per game, and can guard nearly everyone on the court at times. He is a great help defender, and has a presence to him on both the offensive and defensive end of the court. I highly encourage you to review his rating change, because I really am not sure if an 83 is a fair assessment of Kidd His defense wouldn't suffer in a rating change as much, obviously. However, his PPG is down. His APG is down. His RPG is down - and you yourself said he is on a better team now, so he should be able to find those players and they should be able to score more right? I'm not hating on Kidd, but he deserves to drop a few points. I'd rather have Billups right now, Nash is a better scorer and passer, and Kidd ranks below Deron and CP3. Kidd should be 83-84 in rankings IMO. Billups 85, Nash 84, Kidd 84/83 sounds right to me.
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Post by calvinrei - NOH on Feb 4, 2009 10:08:30 GMT
Hinrich from a 80-76... it's not his fault he ain't getting the numbers he had before rose is already starting at PG and the bulls are stacked with Guards... in the 17 games he played this year he only started once and is only avg 26mpg compare to last years 32mpg so maybe he deserves a decrease but not by 4 points...
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 5, 2009 11:10:02 GMT
I think perhaps Allen Iverson could take a hit. He's an 89. Does he really still deserve an 89?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 5, 2009 11:12:50 GMT
Does Antonio McDyess still deserve a 78?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 5, 2009 11:16:33 GMT
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 5, 2009 11:21:59 GMT
to be dead honest mcdyess shouldnt be a 78, even though he's my player. but he should at least be better than ben wallace at the moment right.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Feb 5, 2009 22:07:55 GMT
Tyson Chandler-
8.8 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.4 bpg, .3 spg, 32 mpg
thats .275 points per minute, .259 rebounds per minute, .044 blocks per minute, .009 steals per minute
Ben Wallace- 3.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 bpg, .9 spg, 24 minutes
thats .133 ppm (lower), .275 rpm (higher), .0625 bpm (higher), .04 spm (higher)
Who is better?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 5, 2009 22:17:51 GMT
Tyson Chandler- 8.8 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.4 bpg, .3 spg, 32 mpg thats .275 points per minute, .259 rebounds per minute, .044 blocks per minute, .009 steals per minute Ben Wallace- 3.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 bpg, .9 spg, 24 minutes thats .133 ppm (lower), .275 rpm (higher), .0625 bpm (higher), .04 spm (higher) Who is better? Tyson Chandler, [/discussion]
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Feb 8, 2009 21:37:14 GMT
i just realized that elton brand is still a 90... needs to go down!
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 8, 2009 22:21:49 GMT
i just realized that elton brand is still a 90... needs to go down! Agreed. I think, working conservatively, he should decrease to an 87 or thereabouts.
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Post by pistons521 - MIA on Feb 22, 2009 22:29:56 GMT
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Post by Boston Celtics on Mar 30, 2009 19:04:33 GMT
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