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Post by New Jersey Nets on Aug 20, 2010 13:55:00 GMT
I think what I posted may have been misinterpreted. As far as the media articles go, I was saying that the idea of a player going to a certain team sits somewhere in the back of the mind of the player agents and they could possible become more inclined to give the player to that team... "try and get into your player agent's head"
Media articles in no way directly influenced any decision that we made/will make... its all just conditioning someone to think a certain way
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 20, 2010 14:17:33 GMT
.. its all just conditioning someone to think a certain way I try to tell you that all time, but you still say America fights wars for freedom heheheh ;D With new rules in place to stop the trading of expirings we Player Agents will have a bit of an easier job next year because there wont be so many last-minute teams with newly acquired cap space moaning about how they weren't rewarded for jettisoning talent for the ability to send offers, for starters. But I think you're right in that Player Agents will consider a whole variety of factors, such as whether a certain signing might ruin a team, whether a GM has handled their affairs with integrity (or last-minute planning), whether a GM has been a GM for long enough to even prepare for the off season etc. etc. etc. And all these factors might be worth mentioning in a big thread prior to OSFA beginning - infact I might actually type it up soon just so we're prepared for next year!
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Aug 20, 2010 15:01:13 GMT
I'll just drop my 2 cents on this issue.
As far as expiring contract trades go, I can't say anything cause it would be hypocritical to do so, since I basically took advantage of that situation, but I have no problem if you guys decide to ban trading expiring contracts during the playoffs.
As far as the whole FA thing goes, this is what I would like at if I was a PA (as I have posted in LBJ thread)
MAIN FACTORS 1. Playing time 2. Money 3. Supporting Cast 4. Team History 5. Location
Obviously the first 2 are given, but the last 3 is what decides Free Agency more then anything, if 4 out of those 5 requirements are met a player should then consider signing with that team (it doesn't have to be 5 out of 5, as long as 4 of them are met).
Then you have certain factors that aren't the main one's but they can be miscellaneous
MISCELLANEOUS FACTORS 1. RIVALRY (whether you don't want to go certain teams, or you just don't want to play with certain players (like LBJ would never team up with KB or Howard). 2. FRIENDSHIP with other players (if your a guy like LBJ, you wouldn't mind playing with Wade or Bosh, even though they are your rivals they are your closest friends in the entire league too). 3. Similar to number 2, instead of friends you want to play with certain players.
Another thing, I noticed that the stars are being spread out throughout the league, I think we need to alter that a little.
If your a A-List player like Melo, Durant, Dirk, then they can be spread out and not be teamed with each other, but if your a B-List to D-List players like Jamison and Randolph to scurbs like Kwame Brown and Darko they should be allowed to team up with any listed players .
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 20, 2010 19:01:43 GMT
I actually would not let media center articles sway my judgement particularly, I judged enthusiasm by the quality and level of offers and messages sent to me. Agreed, making it known is good but beyond that I only consider what is said to me that directly deals with the player. Jersey's Ray Allen offer was the most comprehensive and enthusiastic one I got all off-season. Mike Dunleavy's situation never entered my mind. I had it between Dallas and Jersey and Jersey seemed a lot more interested in him. So you can try and be all manipulative but I am not sure it will get you very far
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 20, 2010 22:37:33 GMT
Oh, another thing I/we need to address is whether or not teams should be able to approach the cap and then spend out of their MLE, or whether they have to be at/above the cap to be eligible before OSFA begins.
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Post by Golden State Warriors on Aug 21, 2010 0:42:30 GMT
Oh, another thing I/we need to address is whether or not teams should be able to approach the cap and then spend out of their MLE, or whether they have to be at/above the cap to be eligible before OSFA begins. I think it a team should have to right at the cap or over it before free agency starts, if not teams will just purposely slightly over pay players just to use the MLE.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Aug 21, 2010 2:23:48 GMT
I've always had mixed feelings about MLE and it is a highly debated subject in many sim leagu
The one thing that I've always found unfair is that a team with 61 mil in salary cannot offer a contract as high as a team that has 80 mil in salary. I think if we are going to have an MLE, we should let every team have it and not just teams that are over the cap.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 21, 2010 7:12:43 GMT
And perhaps we should consider lowering the salary cap?
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 21, 2010 7:44:35 GMT
I've always had mixed feelings about MLE and it is a highly debated subject in many sim leagu The one thing that I've always found unfair is that a team with 61 mil in salary cannot offer a contract as high as a team that has 80 mil in salary. I think if we are going to have an MLE, we should let every team have it and not just teams that are over the cap. Well the cut off doesn't have to be the same as the cap. I think the way it is in the NBA is you get your MLE if you are over the cap or have less than the MLE's value in salary. So if you have a $60 million payroll then you get your MLE if you have $59 million then you don't. Actually that doesn't solve anything, it just changes who gets screwed. Then the team at 60 mil has 10.85 million in available salary but the team at 59 only has 6 million available. So either evryone gets it or noone does.
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Post by Washington Wizards on Aug 21, 2010 13:11:23 GMT
I personally think the MLE is fine with the way it actually is determined in the NBA.
The key to this is what the team's salary is when the off season starts. If your salary is less than the the MLE from the cap OR over the cap, you get it. If not, you don't. I completely disagree with a team being to be under the cap and then spend up to it and then get the MLE.
As far as the team getting screwed that is at $59 million, I think that is simple poor planning. How hard is it to pick up a low priced free agent to get from the $59 million to $60 million mark?
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Aug 21, 2010 17:38:56 GMT
I personally think the MLE is fine with the way it actually is determined in the NBA. The key to this is what the team's salary is when the off season starts. If your salary is less than the the MLE from the cap OR over the cap, you get it. If not, you don't. I completely disagree with a team being to be under the cap and then spend up to it and then get the MLE. As far as the team getting screwed that is at $59 million, I think that is simple poor planning. How hard is it to pick up a low priced free agent to get from the $59 million to $60 million mark? totally agree with WAS
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Post by Miami Heat on Aug 21, 2010 18:29:26 GMT
I've always had mixed feelings about MLE and it is a highly debated subject in many sim leagu The one thing that I've always found unfair is that a team with 61 mil in salary cannot offer a contract as high as a team that has 80 mil in salary. I think if we are going to have an MLE, we should let every team have it and not just teams that are over the cap. Well the cut off doesn't have to be the same as the cap. I think the way it is in the NBA is you get your MLE if you are over the cap or have less than the MLE's value in salary. So if you have a $60 million payroll then you get your MLE if you have $59 million then you don't. Actually that doesn't solve anything, it just changes who gets screwed. Then the team at 60 mil has 10.85 million in available salary but the team at 59 only has 6 million available. So either evryone gets it or noone does. Close but no cigar. There's one little mistake in there, the team at $60M won't get both MLE and the $5M left; in order to get MLE (irl as an example), the team has to renounce its remaining cap space, so they will be able to use the $6M, not $10M, just like the team with $59M.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 21, 2010 18:51:03 GMT
I personally think the MLE is fine with the way it actually is determined in the NBA. The key to this is what the team's salary is when the off season starts. If your salary is less than the the MLE from the cap OR over the cap, you get it. If not, you don't. I completely disagree with a team being to be under the cap and then spend up to it and then get the MLE. As far as the team getting screwed that is at $59 million, I think that is simple poor planning. How hard is it to pick up a low priced free agent to get from the $59 million to $60 million mark? Well it isn't always that simple, say they already have 15 players, you can't count on a trade happening. But it is good because it requires planning ahead. As Boston said, "GMs should be penalised for not planning ahead."
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Post by Utah Jazz on Aug 21, 2010 19:00:22 GMT
So as far as this off-season goes every team has a MLE correct?
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 21, 2010 19:02:36 GMT
So as far as this off-season goes every team has a MLE correct? Yes, this off-season everyone has their MLE.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 22, 2010 10:43:05 GMT
So as far as this off-season goes every team has a MLE correct? Yep. This is a good discussion, thanks for all your insights guys. I guess if a team has cap space up-to the amount of the MLE below the cap, then they still only have an amount equal to the MLE to spend. And perhaps we should consider lowering the salary cap? I think we should start doing this a little bit. $65m was just an arbitrary figure I plucked out of the air when the league began. Since the cap is actually decreasing in real life, I feel like ours should too, gradually, over the seasons, so that it eventually is in-line with the NBA. So for instance, next year we'd have a $62.5m cap.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 22, 2010 10:54:24 GMT
I think that when/if the next Dynasty series website I create (I wont make D6 again) comes around, I'll include the properties of bigmarket/nicelocation/legacy in the Claim Your Team process, so GMs know exactly what to expect.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 22, 2010 12:27:44 GMT
I think that when/if the next Dynasty series website I create (I wont make D6 again) comes around, I'll include the properties of bigmarket/nicelocation/legacy in the Claim Your Team process, so GMs know exactly what to expect. Sounds good!
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Post by Miami Heat on Aug 22, 2010 13:39:06 GMT
Since the cap is actually decreasing in real life. Not true, it has only decreased once during the last 20 years and it was during last offseason. This year it increased again (by $0.3M, but still).
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 22, 2010 13:54:13 GMT
Oh right ok. Well either way, I'll reduce it
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 22, 2010 17:38:04 GMT
I think that when/if the next Dynasty series website I create (I wont make D6 again) comes around, I'll include the properties of bigmarket/nicelocation/legacy in the Claim Your Team process, so GMs know exactly what to expect. I still gots New York ;D
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 24, 2010 12:34:19 GMT
To revive this thread again: What about Carmelo and Nuggets this off season? Clearly he wants to leave Denver. Do we take that into account here at all? I mean, Denver's had him and not traded him for 4 seasons which is incredible. I think, if I were his Player Agent I'd take it into account, but it wouldn't outweigh the fact that Melo's been in Denver for 4 seasons and not moved. Although if I were Denver I'd be shifting Melo back to SF as soon as possible, just to cover all angles *hint*
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Aug 24, 2010 15:21:09 GMT
I think he would stay with this Denver team. Carmelo has not had a good time in Denver in real life... he had to put up with Iverson for a few years, and now has had more teammate problems. The real life Nuggets are a bunch of thugs with a very timid coach... JR Smith is in trouble all the time, Chris Anderson is insane, Kenyon Martin has anger issues, and George Karl has no idea how to handle it all
In D5, the Nuggets actually have normal players... Gerald Wallace, Andrew Bogut, Blake Griffin, Rodney Stuckey all seem to have good personalities and none of them have ever been in trouble for anything. The team is actually organized and has some sort of plan every season, instead of just throwing a bunch of people out on the court and telling them to win
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Aug 24, 2010 15:26:39 GMT
lol That is what made me worried when I first saw this thread you see. I've had quite a few offers for Melo, including some from our dearest Boston, and I still couldn't find myself moving him. Probably gonna move him back to his preferred position for the new season! Ever since I joined I've always maintained that Melo was not going to be moved and always will be my franchise cornerstone. Hopefully the player agent will take that into account as well. Another example could be made of Chris Bosh, who in my opinion, made it quite clear that he was going to leave Toronto, but he still resigned with Boston in D5. Because Boston has shown loyalty to Bosh, and because he doesn't really have a reason to move, even if some might argue that he definitely will not be the franchise player with Deron Williams around.
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Post by Orlando Magic on Aug 24, 2010 15:28:07 GMT
I've got Dwight Howard, luckily doesn't have his PO till a few years down the road. I'm gonna build my team around him until he retires!
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 24, 2010 16:21:09 GMT
I've got Dwight Howard, luckily doesn't have his PO till a few years down the road. I'm gonna build my team around him until he retires! That's cool. I hope to do that around Bosh & Deron, and I'd be content with Deng, Perk and Mayo too.
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on Aug 24, 2010 20:58:24 GMT
I've got Dwight Howard, luckily doesn't have his PO till a few years down the road. I'm gonna build my team around him until he retires! You are welcome for that good sir, even though I didn't get too many offers for Dwight when I was the GM of the Magic, lol.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 24, 2010 21:22:33 GMT
I think we should start doing this a little bit. $65m was just an arbitrary figure I plucked out of the air when the league began. Since the cap is actually decreasing in real life, I feel like ours should too, gradually, over the seasons, so that it eventually is in-line with the NBA. So for instance, next year we'd have a $62.5m cap. I think we should lower the cap. We should get to the point where we have the NBA's cap. Of course we can't take that much money right away though. I like $62.5 mil, the $60 mil after that and then matching whatever the NBA is.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Aug 24, 2010 22:27:05 GMT
Another thing that needs to be addressed is bird rights... Boston supposedly told Atlanta that he has bird rights on Dirk, even tho Dirk will not have been there 3 full years... does this mean I have bird rights on Durant even tho he will only have been in NJ like 2.8 years?
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Aug 24, 2010 22:49:06 GMT
Another thing that needs to be addressed is bird rights... Boston supposedly told Atlanta that he has bird rights on Dirk, even tho Dirk will not have been there 3 full years... does this mean I have bird rights on Durant even tho he will only have been in NJ like 2.8 years? +2 I have the same question as well since I got Lopez at the half way point of last year, and if I keep him this and next year do I get his bird rights.
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