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Post by Boston Celtics on Jul 27, 2010 12:23:33 GMT
Keep it in here
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Jul 27, 2010 13:15:23 GMT
Could you post a link to this thing? I am not sure if what I have found is the report you are talking about.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jul 27, 2010 14:05:17 GMT
Most of it should be downloadable from Wikileaks.org. They're releasing the rest of it at a later date. I expect it takes them a long time to ensure the names of personnel aren't mentioned and individuals aren't harmed, they even did so in collaboration with the US government bizarrely enough.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jul 27, 2010 15:23:20 GMT
So the factors which convince me the war in Afghanistan should end are:
1. If the war was about Osama bin Laden, clearly a special forces unit in conjunction with Taliban co-operation (the Taliban offered their co-operation to put forward bin Laden shortly after 9/11) and Afghani co-operation would've been the best way to secure his capture and trial.
2. If the war is about ousting the Taliban, why are the United States doing so by allying with other factions who are just as bloodthirsty and unpopular?
3. The war is best seen in terms of the geo-strategic power game for control of the world's resources.
I'm at work so I'll update this list if and when I can.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Jul 27, 2010 16:10:52 GMT
If the war was really about capturing Osama they would have done it by now. The Iraq war started with the first invasion on March 20, 2003. They captured Saddam Hussein on December 13, 2003. That is seven months from first entering the country to capturing their target. The war in Afghanistan is the longest conflict in the history of the USA at almost 9 years long. The American army does not go from dismantling an entire government in 21 days and capturing its leader in 7 months to nothing after nearly 9 years. Especially since you can be sure Osama is not in Afghanistan anymore because he is Saudi Arabian and Al-Qaeda was based in Pakistan.
It is most certainly not the "War on Terror" when the focus of both the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban is in Pakistan. They only reason that I see is to install a US friendly government that will allow the American government to control more of the worlds resources. Similar actions have certainly been done before (see Panama Canal).
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jul 27, 2010 18:31:57 GMT
If the war was really about capturing Osama they would have done it by now. The Iraq war started with the first invasion on March 20, 2003. They captured Saddam Hussein on December 13, 2003. That is seven months from first entering the country to capturing their target. The war in Afghanistan is the longest conflict in the history of the USA at almost 9 years long. The American army does not go from dismantling an entire government in 21 days and capturing its leader in 7 months to nothing after nearly 9 years. Especially since you can be sure Osama is not in Afghanistan anymore because he is Saudi Arabian and Al-Qaeda was based in Pakistan. It is most certainly not the "War on Terror" when the focus of both the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban is in Pakistan. They only reason that I see is to install a US friendly government that will allow the American government to control more of the worlds resources. Similar actions have certainly been done before (see Panama Canal). You're more well read than I knew! Good analysis. Basically, this infographic (I made after reading up loads) sums up a lot in one:
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jul 30, 2010 10:53:18 GMT
Everyone who's all pro-war and up to the eyeballs in misplaced patriotism disappears when you present them with uncomfortable facts.
Our government's are no different, with respect to foreign policy, than any other government in the history of the world in that they are characterised by a single desire to increase their domination over others, at the expense of human rights both domestically and especially internationally.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 8, 2010 17:30:08 GMT
I can't beileve this came out of Fox News. I wonder if this guy's gonna disappear soon, lol:
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Aug 8, 2010 17:39:54 GMT
ehh its a subliminal shot at democrats.. notice how he never mentions anyone in the bush administration where most of the war stuff took place, but rather bashes someone in the obama administration
plus, republicans are more for anti-government involvement, so as dumb as it sounds, republicans are the ones who wanted to go to war, and republicans are also the ones who want greater freedom of the press, which in turn exposes negatives aspects of the war
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Aug 8, 2010 17:44:21 GMT
nothing Fox could do would surprise me, they aren't a real news channel anyway
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Post by Boston Celtics on Aug 8, 2010 20:16:07 GMT
republicans are also the ones who want greater freedom of the press Reading this sentence, knowing what I know now, it's really amazing how indoctrinated I used to be, thinking the same thing to be true, not realizing that the 'Propaganda Model' is one of the few unchallenged, ubiquitously accepted sociological principles that exists.
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